To think the media over exaggerate trans women and refugees?

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I have noticed in the media when trans women and refugees do crimes it is highlighted to such an extent compared to if say men commit rapes. When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe" and the funny thing is a lot of people doing this faux outrage and pretending they care about women is from some men. It is strange when you hear things like "as a father or mother I worry for my child's safety they are not safe." Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that.

It is the same with refugees you only hear the bad stories "oh he is gaining the system" "oh a lot of these refugees are rapists." There is no middle ground in both of these issues. Rape/sexual assault gaining the system is done by a minority of all people (black, Asian, White etc..) But when it is refugees or trans men doing crime it is highlighted to such as extent to which other groups that do the same crime e.g. white Brits is less highlighted and outrage is not as much.

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It’s easy to understand if you consider what the actual purpose and motivations of the mainstream media are.

Especially today's media a lot of it is fake news, exaggerated news, stirring up division etc..

The difference is that TW are demanding to be let into women's single sex spaces where they don't belong as they are biological males.

Refugees are just people who we could become if circumstances fell that way.

The media exaggerate everything.
They've column inches to fill cheaply, and rolling news is desperate for cheap filler content that doesn't require expensive proper journalism.

In principle you're right, that's how the media operates. The media looks for "stories" where often there are none and a lot of this involves trying to suggest patterns of behaviour from people based on similar characteristics which actually may or may not be relevant. All TW and all refugees are not one homogenous group.

I'd say there's a world of difference between TW and refugees though.

Wtf is cis anyway? Why are we being labelled. I thought trans women were just women according to them? How dare they label me cis - I wouldn't label them without fear or being shouted down so why is it OK to label me. Just to add that thought to the pot! I think the outrage is because these are people with penises in people's with vulva's private space. I.e toilets. Far more of a risk than a person with a penis who identifies as a man.

Ugh, "cis".

Media are mostly trashy and should be ignored.

A lot of internet media is clickbait funded, so they get funded by adverts depending on how many clicks the article with the adverts gets. It has certainly led to the media becoming more sensationalist and provocative headlines to grab people to click on their articles. Not to mention the politically biased slant on one side or another with their reporting. All in all I think the media are a big part of the problem in today's world.

If a transwoman (a male) has been convicted of rape, they have already proven themselves a danger to women. The media are right to report on the utter lunacy of their being placed in women's prisons, or to be able to identify as women after being convicted of serious sex crimes (see recent SNP gender ID bill).

The media are also correct to highlight the madness and cruelty of pretending these males are women, and that female rape survivors have had to stand in court and use "she" under oath to describe the men who forcibly used their penises against them. Rape is a male crime (requires a penis in law).

A recent Swedish study showed that trans identifying males commit crimes at a higher rate than other males, so it's not "exaggeration", merely a demographic trend that should not be ignored.

You're correct, and a sizeable proportion of the population fall for it hook line and sinker, whether its the trans bogeyman, refugees staying in luxury hotels, immigrants taking our jobs etc etc

Ah this is an interesting attempt to say that as a society we are unfair on trans people!

The fact that you use the term cis gives your position away though.

Actually I'm glad that the media has started to correctly sex trans people in the reporting of crimes. For a long time they claimed that women were committing acts that are not women's crimes.

It is important, when trans women, are being given additional rights and women are having single sex protections removed, that the public know that this can and does result in harms to women and children.

Why do you want this hidden?

When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe

Er, because unlike what you call "cis men", trans women are demanding equal access to women-only spaces.

I would suggest that the reason there has been an increase in reporting on crime committed by trans identified males, is that they're now being accurately reported rather than "Woman arrested for..."
Recent data from HM prison service and ONS show a higher sexual offending rate in trans identified males compared to the rest of the population, so I can fully understand why there's a spotlight on the situation regarding placing them in the female estate, whether thats hostels refuges or prisons.

I don't think refugees are remotely comparable tbh.

Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that

huh? Are you serious?

My cousin was getting in this big argument with me about trans women and how they're taking women rights away. And i was so confused because that man has never given a single shit about women rights, its so bloody bizarre.

sure if you are actually vocal abut women rights and always have been then fine, there are some things that needs to be sorted out. But men who are misogynist lite TM suddenly being so invested in feminist conversations is so wildly disingenuous.

The same men who say, women should learn self defence to fight off agressive men in the streets as the expectation for other men to intervene is dangerous and they might be killed? These are the men that care about women safety?

You are right in general, I think there is a lot of clickbait and these two issues are also mighty convenient for an ailing conservative party. However, there is a valid basis for querying the previous reporting on the trans issue that was driven by stonewall distributing style guides insisting it's transphobic to call a criminal by their birth sex even if they have made claims of being trans after arrest.

Yes, this. The whole point of flagging it is to say “really where is the difference with ‘cis men’ - transwoman rapists and ‘cis men’ rapists are exactly as dangerous to women, and trans women are asking to be in women’s spaces. So more risky even than the well known ‘cis men’ (aka men) threat.

Couldn't you sat the same for trans as well? Surely it's just like being gay, bi etc. You can't help it if you don't feel your body is wrong and you were meant to be the opposite sex. I don't know why anyone would choose to live such a life, given that it doesn't seem like an easy choice if you had the option of being 'normal' or trans

It's not exaggerated, but it's highlighted to show that crimes can happen and the very real threat that they are biological males who have committed them.

There are concerns that trans women who have committed sexual assault are doing so, using their "power" as a biological male, but wanting the protection of being a woman. It's normal to consider that these rare crimes have and can happen and the impact it has on women in what should be female safe spaces.

You lost me when you used the offensive word cis.

Man
Woman
Transman
Transwoman

All perfectly good descriptors.

Katie Dolatowski, Isla Bryson etc are men larping as women trying to use that fakery to access women's spaces in order to predate and get an easier ride for doing so. And law makers, in a misguided attempt to "be kind" are enabling it. It does no good for trans people to have laws which allow predators and cheats to prosper.

That's newsworthy.

Refugees are just trying to get away from dreadful circumstances. Because we fail to have a safe passage arrangement for refugees, criminals exploit their desperation.

That's newsworthy. I'm the grandchild of refugees before you start on me for saying that.

That is making a massive assumption and is also transphobic. There is no need to have gender dysphoria to be trans. Many trans women, particularly the ones who are reported for sexual crimes against women, are males with a fetish, being perceived as women and gaining access to the spaces is the attraction.

Stonewall includes cross dressers and drag queens in the definition of trans, there is no need to make any modifications at all to your body or even to dress differently. If you 'self ID as a woman' you are one.

There are valid discussions to be had about most issues in the media.

The problem is the huge amount of disinformation we are fed in order to stir ill feeling or hatred towards a particular group whether they're trans or non-white or asylum seekers or anything else.

The media isn't interested in a valid discussion. They're interested in clicks and ad revenue and the best way to do that is with sensationalist headlines which make people angry.

Homosexuality and Bisexuality are sexual orientations.
They are not related to gender ideology at all.