To think the media over exaggerate trans women and refugees?

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I have noticed in the media when trans women and refugees do crimes it is highlighted to such an extent compared to if say men commit rapes. When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe" and the funny thing is a lot of people doing this faux outrage and pretending they care about women is from some men. It is strange when you hear things like "as a father or mother I worry for my child's safety they are not safe." Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that.

It is the same with refugees you only hear the bad stories "oh he is gaining the system" "oh a lot of these refugees are rapists." There is no middle ground in both of these issues. Rape/sexual assault gaining the system is done by a minority of all people (black, Asian, White etc..) But when it is refugees or trans men doing crime it is highlighted to such as extent to which other groups that do the same crime e.g. white Brits is less highlighted and outrage is not as much.

I would invite you to read my posts again.

I looked at the article and I don't believe it says what you claim.

In any case, have any events like this happened in the UK in the last 8 years? As I think that's more relevant to the safety of women and girls in this country

I looked at the article and I don't believe it says what you claim.

How so? It literally lists a load of other instances of sexual abuse. It's not an opinion piece.

YANBU. In the meantime women's rights are being destroyed by the same people that always have. Look at the CBI or the government, or any organisation where sexual harassment, discrimination etc is rife. I'm not seeing any of them run by trans women, or trans men for that matter.

All in 2015/16 and none in the UK

Totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread or to the UK in 2023

You are just wanting to stir up some racial distrust for reasons best known to yourself.

I have read your posts.

I think by now it is all pretty clear.

Let me try and spell something out for you steps. The trans issue is an growing of misogyny. If you are worried about patriarchal. cultures, you should indeed be worried about it. Pretty much every single assault on women in this country, by people who are not immigrants, occurs because men treat women's needs as irrelevant (at best). If you want women to be safer don't just focus on one issue, you focus on the foundational core of the problem. The trans issue is an expression of a foundational core and if it's not challenged, there will be more assaults. It won't be simple to trace that back to people sitting on their arses and not challenging the trans bigots but anyone who only looks for simple linear causes does not understand the complexity of social life.

You seem very keen on stats but then you should also be keen that every TW has their assaults recorded as committed by a man, or to a man as relevant. Currently even the simple assaults by TW can't be properly allocated to them because of misogyny in the police force.

A focus on just one issue alone and not the complex web of interacting ways in which women are oppressed is not going to get us to a place where society stops treating us like toys or tools.

I'm glad you feel it needs addressing though.

First page of Google. 😉

HALF of all rape and murder suspects in some parts of Britain are foreigners, new figures show. An investigation found that across the country almost a fifth of those believed responsible for the worst crimes last year were born outside the UK. But in parts of England and Wales with high immigration levels, the proportion rises to 50 per cent or more.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672735/half-of-British-rape-suspects-are-foreign?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

Four teenage asylum seekers have been arrested over the alleged rape of a 15-year-old girl at a school in Kent, according to reports.The four Afghan boys, aged between 13 and 16, were arrested as part of the police's investigation into the alleged incident, which took place on February 6 in Dover, where many asylum seekers arrive.

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/four-teenage-asylum-seekers-arrested-after-teenage-girl-15-allegedly-raped/

Afghan migrant, 28, who tried to board a small boat to the UK this week was deported from Britain just four years ago after being jailed for raping a 12-year-old schoolgirl.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11833125/amp/Afghan-migrant-28-deported-raping-12-year-old-girl-tried-UK.html

The people who were returned to their home countries included over 200 foreign national offenders, over 30 asylum offenders and over 85 non-asylum offenders, with more than 15 known to have arrived in the UK via small boats.

The foreign national offenders removed were convicted of crimes including rape and the supply of drugs. They had a total combined sentence of more than 145 years.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/over-320-foreign-criminals-and-immigration-offenders-returned

Totally irrelevant to the UK, right?

Now imagine if half of all rape and murder suspects were transwomen. There'd be outrage on here.

Erm...over half of the men in prison who say they are women are there for...sexual offences. 60% was the figure wasn't it? As opposed to 20% of men who do not say they are women.

The problem is men.

60% of a miniscule number of men.

The problem is that by breaking it down into 'men' with no further nuance you pretty much make it impossible to target specific demographics in the specific ways required.

Kind on pointless speaking to Eton schoolboys about knife crime, celibate monks about partner violence, and white males about Islamic terrorism, no?

Admit it, you are just here to shame feminists for their priorities through your own lack of understanding of what feminists are working on.

Hence you cannot engage in this topic just plonk down numbers.

And again. What is the outcomes of feminist work that you want?

Discussion? You seem very focused on just discussion. Not once mentioning what substantive actions are needed that are not being done.

Pointless ‘talking’ to any male about rape if you are a women they don’t consider worthy of listening to. But hey! Just keep denouncing feminist work while not once contributing to it yourself.

That Express article blames " Pro EU police forces" and goes on about Brexit. The headline is misleading as it im

Oops posted too soon
The headline is misleading as it implies 50% of rapes/sexual assaults were committed by immigrants, whereas the actual figure across the UK is 17%, which is spookily almost exactly the same as the % living in the UK who weren't born here
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/internationalmigrationenglandandwales/census2021#:~:text=Out%20of%20the%2059.6%20million,were%20born%20outside%20the%20UK.

So there is no evidence from the article that immigrant men are more of an issue than home grown men

It's hardly impartial and the following paragraphs about deported rapists also don't mean much. I can find you countless articles about horrific rapes ehy

By white men, unfortunately we can't deport them though.

I apologise for my choppy posts, it's almost impossible to post here today for some reason

I'm going to ask the same question I've asked on previous threads - it comes across that you think being raped or sexually assaulted by a non-white man is worse than by a white man - why is that?

And before you ask, my concerns around trans politics are I think it gives predatory men free rein to rape and attack women in spaces where they should be safe. I don't think being raped by a male identifying as a woman is "worse" than any other rape.

No, I, don't think either is better or worse but as immigration from, patriarchal cultures increases the overall figure is rising sharply.

Steps you seem very worried about men from patriarchal counties emigrating here but not worried about the UK culture becoming more patriarchal. How do you marry that?

Your indignance at me not jumping to heel and answering your every question is clear. It's a common tactic I see in this forum where if a poster says something that contradicts the usual discourse they get bombarded with questions which will then lead to further questions/a diversion of the topic, ultimately drawing focus away from the discussion which they are desperate to avoid.

You don't know anything about what my contribution to 'feminist work' is. I've already stated multiple times that I consider the trans issue worthy of attention but that it has a tendency to obfuscate bigger issues.

The general public is still pretty much oblivious to the trans thing in a day to day context but the vast majority disagree with self ID when the chips are on the table. However, the public view on immigration is very different, with most left leaning people being extremely hostile to those who talk about the need to manage immigration sensibly.

Typically people are seen as bigots if they express the view that mass immigration can be harmful and destabilising, and usually it's pointed out that other European countries have accepted a lot more immigrants. What isn't ever discussed is how these countries are experiencing large increases in sexual violence with the demographics in question featuring prominently in the statistics and being overrepresented in relation to their numbers. It's all about women and children fleeing violence with little acknowledgement that the vast majority are actually men under the age of 35.

How many times have we heard posters on here complaining that people are more welcoming to Ukrainian refugees because they're 'the right colour' etc? I'd say that race/colour is less the issue and it's more about patriarchal/misogynistic cultures.

You keep asking me what I'm doing but before identifying a solution you need to acknowledge the issue. I've stated many times that the trans issue is a problem, just less so than the sexual crimes being caused by unmanaged immigration. You, on the other hand, seem to be refusing to accept that the latter is an issue.

This is a somewhat odd stance seeing as how you keep saying that feminists are able to focus on several things at once. Why is it that you're not interested in doing that yourself?

"It's a common tactic I see in this forum where if a poster says something that contradicts the usual discourse they get bombarded with questions which will then lead to further questions/a diversion of the topic, ultimately drawing focus away from the discussion which they are desperate to avoid."

This is what I mean about your own prejudice about the feminists who post on MN.

The questions are genuine, and gosh.... yes... they lead to further discussion.

On a discussion board! Who knew, eh!

And bizarre that you think our wanting to discuss the UK situation of immigrant males and what feminists are doing in regards to VAWAG is not the topic of the thread?

Correlation does not equal causation

According to this (figure 5.02) the ethnic group where sexual offences accounts for the highest proportion of convictions is white men (21%)

Other groups vary from 14% to 17%

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2020/ethnicity-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2020#:~:text=Across%20the%20past%205%20years%2C%20White%20defendants%20consistently%20had%20the,and%20Black%20defendants%20at%2066%25.

So that's not at all consistent with your hypothesis

What makes you think Ukraine is not a very patriarchal culture? Or is that not what you meant?