To think the media over exaggerate trans women and refugees?

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I have noticed in the media when trans women and refugees do crimes it is highlighted to such an extent compared to if say men commit rapes. When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe" and the funny thing is a lot of people doing this faux outrage and pretending they care about women is from some men. It is strange when you hear things like "as a father or mother I worry for my child's safety they are not safe." Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that.

It is the same with refugees you only hear the bad stories "oh he is gaining the system" "oh a lot of these refugees are rapists." There is no middle ground in both of these issues. Rape/sexual assault gaining the system is done by a minority of all people (black, Asian, White etc..) But when it is refugees or trans men doing crime it is highlighted to such as extent to which other groups that do the same crime e.g. white Brits is less highlighted and outrage is not as much.

Like I mentioned people you have that with every group of people there are always people committing crimes (trans women, white men, Asian men, black men, refugees) but the media does try and fuel hate for refugees and trans women.

I think it's really important to correctly sex criminals. It's quite newsworthy at the moment because the crime of transwomen have been reported as female crimes and the criminal placed in female prisons. This is obviously wrong, unhelpful and unsustainable for all sorts of reasons.

It's really bad for trans people as a whole if criminals game the system by pretending to be trans.
It's really bad for society if data is messed up as it's clear from the census is actually happening.
It's bad for women if men are owed to self identify into women's spaces, as the recent attempt to change the law in Scotland would allow.
It's awful when a criminal goes on the run and the description of 'woman in cargo pants' doesn't help identify them because they are a man who happens to have long hair.

These are stories of interest and not at all surprising to see in the media.

Refugees are a different far more complicated story. But it's enraging to discover that men are committing criminal acts in this country who should not actually be here. It's also enraging to see refugee children disappearing into criminal networks because we don't protect them adequately.

Only speaking for myself here but it boils my fucking piss when people down play men in drag committing sexually violent crimes against women and kids as "not a big problem ".

Setting aside the fact that a man with a penis has committed violence against a women (this is horrendous and I'm not wanting to minimise but rather add to why this is so horrendous) it's abhorrent to then have the crime committed as a woman's crime. To have the court room that offender appears in go through the fucking panto of calling him a she. Using their trans status as reasons for defence (mental health bollocks). And then that person potentially being placed in a ward with real women where he could do more real harm.

Apologies this hasn't been an articulate post but I'm so angry we are accused of bigotry and hatred for not respecting some peoples chosen pronouns while at the same time being chastised for talking about REAL HARM BEING CAUSED TO REAL WOMEN

I also agree it's very lazy to lump TW in with refugees.

But I guess TW are just as oppressed if not more than some poor bugger fleeing for their life from a war zone

And yet when gay marriage was legalised a decade ago that still didn't stop certain sections going on about how it was the end of civilised society and wrong and slippery slope and dangerous and even how our language would be redefined against our will:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2350532/amp/Men-wives-women-husbands-gay-marriage-laws-overrule-dictionaries.html

Sound familiar?

You're not fooling anyone with your forced teaming of trans issues with refugees. Separate issues and should be able to stand on their own merits.

Can we have some examples of the media "fuelling hate" when reporting violent/sex crimes please?

Is it hateful to show a picture of the convicted individual?

The introduction of gay marriage did not result in the harm to women and children in what should be single sex spaces.

If a man gets convicted of rape, he gets incarcerated in a men's prison (except in Scotland where he'll just get community service). If a transwoman (self-declared) gets convicted of rape, "she" will be incarcerated in a women's prison, a place full of fresh potential victims. If transwomen weren't placed in women's prisons, then the reaction from the media and the public would be no different to the reaction when it's any other man.

I'm interested in this idea that the media shouldn't accurately report the sex of TW who commit violent crimes against women and children because it fuels hate.

I think what makes women so angry with the TRAs is that there is a lack of recognition that these crimes prove the fact that the additional rights that TW are demanding harm women. Rather than responding and saying well women and children do matter, there are calls to hide the evidence or calls to say 'oh won't we think of the poor males'.

Women and children really don't matter when it comes down to it. If there is any hate it's not caused by the media it is the failure of TRAs and trans women to recognise that women and children ACTUALLY matter.

Here is a short article on a trans-identifying male convicted of rape: https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridgeshire-rapist-jailed-for-15-years-after-attack-that-left-victim-with-recurring-nightmares-9148559/

Should this have been reported differently? Or not reported at all?

I really hate this faux disingenuous habit of making it seem like people who have concerns about the political position "trans women are women" are also racist, xenophobic right wing bigots.

There is no correlation at all.

Sectione of the media hype up refugees/boat invasions.

Sections of the media hype up Princess Diana murder conspiracies

Sections of the media hype up "deep freeze" and heatwave weather stories

These things have nothing in common. So why imply trans issues and refugees do?

The media put out what will gain clicks and sales - we can assume that people are interested in these two things .................plus celebs, royal family, how corrupt the Tories are or how useless the Labour MPs etc etc etc etc

Equal marriage didn't put rapists in women's prisons, put mediocre male cheats in women's sport, introduce dehumanising medical language about women.

It's.Not.The.Same.At.All.

Thanks for telling women which male crimes were allowed to worry about and which the media should cover 🙄 Always the poor male criminals that need to come first, isn’t it OP? God forbid rapists are discriminated against.

I'm sure someone will be able to offer a better explanation than me but,

For me being trans has no comparison to being gay or bi. For a start trans isn't a sexual orientation.

But anyway, for a gay man or a lesbian to love another person of the same sex will never impact on anyone else. Ever.

For a trans person to live life and exactly as they please means, amongst other things, language has to change, women and girls miss out on sports opportunities, young people are enthusiastically encouraged to start on (often irreversible) medical pathways which could lead to mutilaition of working and healthy body parts.

So there's no comparison to being gay. At all.

There are similarities in the sense that you would think a large percentage of people are criminals/rapists (refugees/trans women) the way the media report them and over emphasis their crimes compared to say white British criminals.

It is laughable when you see people who say "not all men" but jump on the trans women are dangerous bandwagon. Or when someone who is non white commits a crime the default is "deport him" "send him back" even if they are born and raised in UK some people have this notion that even if you are born in the UK and non white you are not British. You have ignorant statements by people "I feel like a foreigner in my own country" last time I checked more than 80 percent of the country were white so that does not make sense. Or the Home Secretary using rhetoric like invasions but says Gary Lineker language is offensive to Jewish people.

Yes, it’s sounds familiar, just like trans ideology erasing same sex attraction and calling lesbians sexual racists if they say no to dick.

Do you think that women should have single sex spaces OP?

Do you think that rape (in the UK - so penetration with a penis) is a woman's crime?

Do you think that rapists belong in women's prisons?

Why haven't I heard this and why aren't the gays lining the streets calling people who don't call females husbands "literal nazis" and threatening to assault them?

Could it be because same sex attracted people are not comparable to gender ideologists?

Using that as an example of "being born that way". There are many very young children or adults now who say they've always felt that way. Like sexual orientations no longer thought of as a choice (until quite recently), isn't gender 'confusion' the same thing? My main question really is why would someone bother

Do you care about male violence against women, or only when it’s a white man doing it? Do you think it helps to put male rapists in women’s prisons?

Not noticed with trans women but definitely refugees. It's always happened for people of colour and sadly continues to happen!

Of course they should. I believe there should be safe spaces for both women and trans people. Both can have different sex spaces one for solely women and the other for trans people.

No because it was done by a biological man.

No they do not.

You can believe these things and also believe that the media do overexaggerate things.