To think the media over exaggerate trans women and refugees?

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I have noticed in the media when trans women and refugees do crimes it is highlighted to such an extent compared to if say men commit rapes. When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe" and the funny thing is a lot of people doing this faux outrage and pretending they care about women is from some men. It is strange when you hear things like "as a father or mother I worry for my child's safety they are not safe." Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that.

It is the same with refugees you only hear the bad stories "oh he is gaining the system" "oh a lot of these refugees are rapists." There is no middle ground in both of these issues. Rape/sexual assault gaining the system is done by a minority of all people (black, Asian, White etc..) But when it is refugees or trans men doing crime it is highlighted to such as extent to which other groups that do the same crime e.g. white Brits is less highlighted and outrage is not as much.

I don't know, you'd have to ask them that. I'm talking about media response and presentation of issues. Which is what the OP is about.

Isn't it just about using an accurate description? You'll also see reported: "dad of three", "activist", "single mum of two", "young entrepreneur", "of no fixed abode", "pensioner", "dog handler", "NHS worker" etc as descriptions. All of which are not directly relevant to the situation.

All violence against women is serious regardless of who does it. But I am saying there is an over exaggeration of when trans women and refugees commit crimes. You only hear bad stories from these groups very rarely the good e.g. refugees doing well in the UK (working in the NHS) what the media do now is say how can people be refugees and have Iphones, designer clothes etc..

And some people do have agendas like I mentioned e.g. "not all men but I am worried about my daughter's safety by trans men." Don't you see the hypocricy?

But surely the issue is with this smaller group that are committing crimes against women, and rightly so and not against trans in general? It seems that it would be a difficult path to choose to live to be lumped with this other group which are something entirely different

Very true.

Both can have different sex spaces one for solely women and the other for trans people.

Trans people don't want different spaces though.

And do tell me where you live that the whole 'me too', VAWG, institutionalised misogyny in the police and fire services etc have completely passed you by. 🤦‍♀️

How is correctly reporting issues that have a real impact on women's rights and the safety of women and children exaggerating?

There is a difference between trans women's violent crimes against women and those of men who do not claim to be trans and that is that trans women are using 'gender identity' to access women or are otherwise abusing women after the event by demanding preferred pronouns be used and calling women bigots for speaking the truth. They also demand, if a custodial sentence is required, to be placed in the female estate or for a lenient sentence because they have 'mental health issues'.

No, but all of which are designed to elicit an emotional response - for example "thug robs pensioner" generates a lot more pathos than "man robbed".

As another example, "activist", "single mum of two" can, depending on your intended audience, be used to generate scorn or sympathy.

Its not an over exaggeration, it’s highlighting the very new issue of breaking down safeguarding that has been in place for years and increasing the danger to women by locking them up with male rapists etc. This should be highlighted as much as possible so that we can put a stop to it. Why on earth would you want to hide this new risk to women exactly? Why aren’t the victims and protecting women your priority here?

Ive never seen anyone say “not all men but I’m worried about transmen”, so no, I’ve never seen that hypocrisy. I think you’ll find most women upset about losing their rights and safety, aren’t the type to say #notallmen.

Do you think that women should have the right to single sex spaces or don't you?

How can we tell which are the lovely trans women and which ones will go onto commit horrendous crimes against women and children?

I would have much more sympathy for 'genuine trans people' if they were asking for third spaces and not demanding that women put ourselves and children at risk.

Oh and by the way saying we only ever here bad news about trans people is such absolute bullshit I don’t even know where to start. Do you really want me to post links to all the positive articles about trans people? All the women’s awards given to males?

In some ways OP I would say actually historically the opposite has happened. Crimes by transwomen have been reported in the media as having been committed by women and even recorded in the crime statistics as having been committed as women.

Who's ever said they are worried about transmen accessing girls? It's predator men pretending to be part of a sacred caste to access women's spaces.

Exactly, they often go out of their way to hide the fact that the person is actually a male/trans.

What about "dog handler", which I put because I saw it used in a paper? The article had nothing to do with dogs.

Hang on one second.
"Verv? Why aren't you out on the streets screaming and assaulting people for not calling you a husband?"
"Because being gay doesn't make me part of a dangerously misogynistic and homophobic ideology"
"Oh, right."

I have no issue with the media accurately reporting that switching around language to create female husbands and male wives in order to try and put equality into comprehensive legal-speak has resulted in confusing gobbledegook.
This is patently clear, but the LGB doesn't appear to have an appetite for taking punitive measures against those in society who do not wish to comply with the aforementioned gobbledygook. Therein lies the difference.

It doesn't bother me because everything is in its own private cubicle anyway, and I think if someone wanted to attack another person they don't need to pretend to be trans to do it. Disabled people have to use unisex areas and no one ever cared about that. This is why I'm curious about it and interested to find out more and what is different

It still creates more human interest. It's not a neutral decision to include someone's job, age, family circumstances etc as it makes it more relatable to readers. I don't know the article but depending on the topic it could have been intended as "they like dogs, weren't they a lovely person", for example.

Can anyone tell me then why amongst women is this issue not clear cut. You get a ride range of opinions from over exaggerations to middle ground to others saying trans women can use women spaces because they also suffer hugely in the hands of predatory men e.g. sexual crimes is high against trans women as well. If some people are making out this is an easy issue to solve why are there so many different opinions amongst women? For people saying "as a women it is awful." The counter argument to that could be not every women agrees with you though like I mentioned the views range from middle ground to over exaggerating and believing everyone the media says to trans women can use women spaces. So just because these women do not share your opinion what are they? Disgrace to women because they do not follow your train or thought when the reality is even amongst women there is a wide range of views.

I agree with you. They always pick on trans people by giving examples of men who are clearly claiming to be women for nefarious reasons.

The truth is most trans people are just like us.

They do tend to be born as autistic females more often because autistic females are hugely let down by the ‘system’ when it comes to managing their bodies and feel becoming a man is the only way. But then the medical professionals involved don’t explain what it is exactly that’s going to happen to them (or the girls aren’t capable of understanding) and it causes heartbreak for all.

My DD has autism. Luckily for her she avoided the growing breast issue by taking after me so she doesn’t really need to wear a brea. But when she started her periods at 9 she was traumatised and yet her key workers and medical professionals refused to even consider giving her medication to temporarily pause her periods in case it ‘damaged her fertility’ as if my daughter’s ability to pop out a baby was more important than her MH. (Besides which the treatment which we were seeking doesn’t even harm fertility and is used for autistic girls the world over).

After a while she went down a bit of a rabbit hole of wondering whether being a man would be better. She wasn’t a man, never wanted to be a man, she wasn’t trans at all, but didn’t want periods and you know what her social worker did? They were supporting her, encouraging her even, until I threatened legal action and to involve the media.

She’s 11 now and we go to Europe, like we had to do for so many treatments associated with her autism, to get the treatment she needs to stop her periods and guess what? She has since begun to really bloody enjoy being a girl.

Have you honestly come onto a forum for women and mothers to defend poor marginalised Trans rapists? Good luck with that I'm sure it'll go well 🙄

Oh right, so you put males above the safety of women and children because you feel safe, that's nice. What about Muslim women who can't then access women's toilets? Do they matter less than males?

What about female only refuges or rape crisis centres ? Should males who identify as women be allowed in those? What if that means that women who have been raped can't access them because it triggers a trauma response? Are they matter less that the males?

What about women's prisons? Should trans women be allowed in those?

What about women's sport, should it be mixed sex because males who identify as trans will be upset if they don't get to play in the sex category they want to play in?

You do realise that women's rights aren't yours to give away?

You are putting males first, go you!

Really? In prisons women have their own private cubicles do they? Or are you saying you don’t care about male rapists being put in women’s prisons because you personally aren’t impacted?

Nicola Sturgeon thought the same, looks like that might change for her soon, would be a nice does of karma.

Perhaps a 'small group', but an overrepresented one.... Half of all imprisoned men identifying as transwomen have committed at least one sexual crime.

So a transwoman is much more likely to commit a sexual crime than a man. Add this to the issue of them wanting to be placed in women's prisons and you wonder why it's widely reported?

Trans women shouldn't be trying to get into women's spaces or sports. They are biological men and will always remain that way. I'm glad the media focuses on it when attacks happen, it keeps it clear that it poses a threat to women. I'm not bothered about hurting a man's feelings by saying he shouldn't be in the same toilet/changing room etc as women. Womens safety must be the priority, over others feelings.