To think the media over exaggerate trans women and refugees?

[SleepDreamThinkHuge]

I have noticed in the media when trans women and refugees do crimes it is highlighted to such an extent compared to if say men commit rapes. When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe" and the funny thing is a lot of people doing this faux outrage and pretending they care about women is from some men. It is strange when you hear things like "as a father or mother I worry for my child's safety they are not safe." Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that.

It is the same with refugees you only hear the bad stories "oh he is gaining the system" "oh a lot of these refugees are rapists." There is no middle ground in both of these issues. Rape/sexual assault gaining the system is done by a minority of all people (black, Asian, White etc..) But when it is refugees or trans men doing crime it is highlighted to such as extent to which other groups that do the same crime e.g. white Brits is less highlighted and outrage is not as much.

Oh it’s because women are human beings with their own minds, just like men are. We’re not a hive mind. Hth.

Voyeurs are my concern mimosa

There are quite a lot of men out there with fetish for women on the toilet. They plant cameras, film over/under cubicles and in extreme cases have even died crawling into vents to spy on women.

At the moment we have a social contract where we can challenge men in women's spaces to help safeguard against voyeurs. But self ID opens the door to predatory voyeurs to access womens toilets by wearing a dress and saying "I'm a woman"

Google and you'll find loads of examples of voyeurs but here is an example

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/voyeur-fetish-watching-women-urinate-11597082.amp

Or maybe women can have different opinions and not everyone has to agree with your viewpoint? You can be both argue for women only spaces but also call out media coverage. The other day it was one guy talking about reparations and slavery and then the media exaggerates to "all black people want reparations" a few trans people could have said something and that is extrapolated to all trans people. There is always a middle ground but nowadays you either have to one side or the other.

What is over - exaggeration? Is there some sort of sliding scale of acceptability when it comes to over egging the pudding, OP? Is it okay to exaggerate if it’s just a bit? How about all the under exaggeration that goes on ?

I think what you mean is prominence, actually. Do ‘the media’ give ‘undue ‘ prominence to a woman being raped by another patient in a hospital ward, and that rape being denied by the hospital ‘ because there are no women in that ward’ ? Personally, I don’t think so , because it is ( thankfully) an unusual and puzzling event, and one which would concern 51% of the population - and a vast number of their male relatives and friends- who might be expecting to stay in a woman’s ward in hospital. So a matter of legitimate report and interest.

Do the media give undue prominence to female prisoners being sexually assaulted by a physically male person in a female prison? Not really, because it’s a surprising and troubling event, and one which would not be expected in a sane world. So worthy of attention, and even the odd headline.

I have no idea about the relative prominence given to crimes being committed by ‘refugees’. If you are referring to Rotherham etc, the people implicated were in the country legally, some were born in UK and are UK citizens. Nothing to do with being refugees. Some people would argue that these incidents received rather less media and legal attention for a considerable period than might have been expected ‘ to avoid community tension’.

So just because these women do not share your opinion what are they? Disgrace to women because they do not follow your train

They're a disgrace because they are putting the feelings of biological men over women's safety. No biological man should be welcomed into womens spaces.

But the issue is that to get access to vulnerable women in eg prisons and hospital wards, men would need to identify as trans as those should be are single-sex!

There is always a middle ground but nowadays you either have to one side or the other.

It would be nice to think so, but not, not when it comes to trans rights activists wanting to remove women's rights.

There is no middle ground. The Democrats in the USA want to remove female only sport, this was voted out by the Republicans yesterday.

How has left wing society got to the point when the left wants to destroy women's sport in favour of mediocre male athletes who identify as trans?

How fucking liberal is that!

Imagine thinking violent crimes against women are exaggerated by the media FFS. Do you know what the conviction rates are? This is such a tone deaf thread, asking for sympathy for male sex offenders whilst women struggle to ever even get justice. Where are your priorities ffs?

Why post this on a female centric forum where many of us have experience sexual violence at the hands of males and never got justice? Shame on you.

But then that's really the issue then isn't it? Not transpeople themselves, that's what I didn't understand so thanks because that makes more sense. So in that case sure maybe they need their own area in prison if the stats are that bad. Also I wasn't wondering why that was widely reported, I think you're mixing me up with OP, I just agree with dodgy media in general.

The problem is that trans women don’t want their own spaces, sports, awards, prisons, words, healthcare etc, @SleepDreamThinkHuge - they want WOMEN’S spaces, sports, words etc - and they do not give one single fuck about damaging women.

Define trans. I thought it was anyone who says they are?

"At the hands of men" most sexual crimes are done by men not trans men that is a fact.

The problem is that trans women don’t want their own spaces, sports, awards, prisons, words, healthcare etc, @SleepDreamThinkHuge - they want WOMEN’S spaces, sports, words etc - and they do not give one single fuck about damaging women.

Exactly. They don't care how uncomfortable or unhappy women are with it. As long as they get their own way.

Think I'll resist clicking on that, but I believe you! Thanks for a reasoned response, rather than just going into attack mode

No one suggested it was transmen, it’s Transwomen, ie, males.

sorry typo meant trans women

It doesn't seem remotely familiar to me. The 'certain sections' of society objecting to gay marriage were mainly men, whereas this time the 'certain sections' are women, and the concern is for their own safety and that of their daughters and granddaughters. No comparison.

That would be males. Why have you come onto a female centric forum, where you know many people will have experience sexual violence at the hands of males, not had any justice at all and then asked us to have sympathy for how they’re treated by the media?

Interesting then that so many on here are posting like trans people are. "Trans people want X, trans people don't want Y"...

Actually, no... As a proportion, a transwoman is much more likely to commit a sexual crime than a man.

And there's a reason why men are not allowed in women's toilets/prisons/changing rooms... So why should transwomen? If they are more likely to commit a sexual crime against women?

Prison service and ONS data indicates that there is a higher rate of sexual offending amongst trans identified males than there is amongst their standard male counterparts.

You are right re 'trans people are...'

What we should say is 'TRAs are....' or 'the loudest trans people are...'

The original quiet transsexuals have been thrown under a bus by TRAs and Stonewall and the whole concept of 'Self Id'.

In which case I would ask why you, on a female-centric forum, are hoping Nicola Sturgeon is sent to prison gets attacked in prison as a "nice dose of karma" as per your post on page 3?

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Not really, trans activists have been vocal about what they want. No one here is suggesting they speak for every trans person and they all think the same.