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To think the media over exaggerate trans women and refugees?

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SleepDreamThinkHuge · 21/04/2023 09:24

I have noticed in the media when trans women and refugees do crimes it is highlighted to such an extent compared to if say men commit rapes. When it is a trans women raping someone it leads to "women being unsafe" and the funny thing is a lot of people doing this faux outrage and pretending they care about women is from some men. It is strange when you hear things like "as a father or mother I worry for my child's safety they are not safe." Ok so what about when most sexual attacks are committed by cis men? You never heard them protest about that.

It is the same with refugees you only hear the bad stories "oh he is gaining the system" "oh a lot of these refugees are rapists." There is no middle ground in both of these issues. Rape/sexual assault gaining the system is done by a minority of all people (black, Asian, White etc..) But when it is refugees or trans men doing crime it is highlighted to such as extent to which other groups that do the same crime e.g. white Brits is less highlighted and outrage is not as much.

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Naunet · 21/04/2023 11:38

Lockheart · 21/04/2023 11:37

In which case I would ask why you, on a female-centric forum, are hoping Nicola Sturgeon is sent to prison gets attacked in prison as a "nice dose of karma" as per your post on page 3?

Nice try but nowhere did I say I hope she gets attacked. Stop making such vile claims.

Lockheart · 21/04/2023 11:40

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Naunet · 21/04/2023 11:42

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Lockheart · 21/04/2023 11:44

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Methinks you doth protest too much.

Naunet · 21/04/2023 11:46

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Verv · 21/04/2023 11:46

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It read to me like a statement of "Nicola Sturgeon didn't care about male rapists in prisons because she wasn't personally impacted. Looks like the impact may change if she's placed in a prison along with male offenders as that would be karmic retribution for throwing female prisoners under the bus"

I dont think you were wishing her to be raped, that really isnt a particularly female habit.

Naunet · 21/04/2023 11:49

Verv · 21/04/2023 11:46

It read to me like a statement of "Nicola Sturgeon didn't care about male rapists in prisons because she wasn't personally impacted. Looks like the impact may change if she's placed in a prison along with male offenders as that would be karmic retribution for throwing female prisoners under the bus"

I dont think you were wishing her to be raped, that really isnt a particularly female habit.

Thank you.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 21/04/2023 11:49

I really don’t give a shit, you read what you want from my post, but don’t you fucking dare try to make out like I was hoping a woman got raped. You’re fucking sick.

I didn't read it that you hoped she would get raped. It didn't come across that way to me.

Naunet · 21/04/2023 11:51

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 21/04/2023 11:49

I really don’t give a shit, you read what you want from my post, but don’t you fucking dare try to make out like I was hoping a woman got raped. You’re fucking sick.

I didn't read it that you hoped she would get raped. It didn't come across that way to me.

Thank you. Sorry, got pretty angry there as someone who was sexually abused as a child myself, I wouldn’t wish rape on anyone, except maybe rapist men!

Verv · 21/04/2023 11:56

Ignore it, it's an age old tactic.

loislovesstewie · 21/04/2023 11:58

There is no middle ground. Offering a trans person their own facilities isn't enough. They have to be acknowledged as female and publicly acknowledged too. So having facilities for women and men and those who are happy with gender neutral isn't acceptable to them. Because then we aren't agreeing with their reality. And a person with a penis who uses that to cause harm isn't female. He is committing male based violence and should be treated as male. The media drawing attention to that is making people actually question what is going on and not just coming out with the whole TWAW stuff. If trans people just got on quietly with life and didn't want to force their delusion on others we would be able to talk and make decisions based on biology. Fat chance!

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 21/04/2023 12:02

Thank you. Sorry, got pretty angry there as someone who was sexually abused as a child myself, I wouldn’t wish rape on anyone, except maybe rapist men!

I'm sorry that happened to you Flowers Don't apologise for being offended, it was an offensive thing to suggest.

AdamRyan · 21/04/2023 12:05

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Naunet · 21/04/2023 12:05

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 21/04/2023 12:02

Thank you. Sorry, got pretty angry there as someone who was sexually abused as a child myself, I wouldn’t wish rape on anyone, except maybe rapist men!

I'm sorry that happened to you Flowers Don't apologise for being offended, it was an offensive thing to suggest.

I think I just experienced being “triggered” by words on the Internet! I should know better 🤦‍♀️
Thank you though, and @Verv

heathspeedwell · 21/04/2023 12:06

Transwomen have a much higher likelihood of being a convicted sex offender than other male people.

To compare transwomen to refugees is racist nonsense.

Why is the TRA movement so full of barely-concealed racism and homophobia?

Naunet · 21/04/2023 12:07

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Thanks, that’s good to know! I really should know better and not let it bother me, just such a disgusting thing to accuse someone of!

AdamRyan · 21/04/2023 12:07

For me, I am not talking about transwomen. I am talking about predatory males pretending to be transwomen.

It's unfortunate for both women and transwomen that under self ID, there would be no way to effectively differentiate between predatory men pretending to be trans to access women, and trans women. That's why it's important society retains an element of gatekeeping in transition.

Lockheart · 21/04/2023 12:07

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Make your mind up, you were agreeing with me the other day.

Lockheart · 21/04/2023 12:08

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heathspeedwell · 21/04/2023 12:09

@Lockheart we can all see that you have totally misinterpreted Naunet's perfectly reasonable statement.

AdamRyan · 21/04/2023 12:09

Lockheart · 21/04/2023 12:07

Make your mind up, you were agreeing with me the other day.

I play the ball, not the man.
You've said some pretty offensive things to me in the past and now to Naunet, I notice this stuff.

Naunet · 21/04/2023 12:09

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ditalini · 21/04/2023 12:10

Not all priests. Not all scoutmasters. Not all youth workers. Not all children's home workers. Not all doctors. Not all men. Not all transwomen.

All of these are true, but the only group where there hasn't seemed to be a collective agreement that the safeguarding of vulnerable people is more important that the group's right to go and do whatever they like is the last one.

We can recognise that not all priests were involved in the systematic abuse of children that should have felt safe with them, and that not all communities turned a blind eye to that sacred caste and let the abuse continue for far too long; but that it did happen and things needed to change to minimise the chance of it happening again.

Now we have a new sacred caste and yet somehow the lessons of the previous one appear not to have been learned.

Lockheart · 21/04/2023 12:12

AdamRyan · 21/04/2023 12:09

I play the ball, not the man.
You've said some pretty offensive things to me in the past and now to Naunet, I notice this stuff.

Not sure I've ever said anything offensive to you, and as far as Naunet is concerned all I've done is quote her own words back to her and say it's disgusting what she's implying.

Hoardasurass · 21/04/2023 12:13

SleepDreamThinkHuge · 21/04/2023 11:26

"At the hands of men" most sexual crimes are done by men not trans men that is a fact.

Actually you are completely wrong here is a handy little diagram with ons statistics for you

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