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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not want to live with my child again?

325 replies

Namechangeteach · 14/04/2023 11:53

This an attention seeking, goady title, sorry, but I've posted about this situation before and got no responses so I'm deliberately braving it in here. It's likely to be long in order to avoid drip feeding, but I'm happy to clarify details I may forget.

As mentioned, I've posted of this before, and I've namechanged because this is outing and I don't fancy the rest of my posting history being attached to this issue.

Long story short, some time ago, earlier this year, my eldest DS had some sort of meltdown. For context, DS is (now) 16, he turned 16 a few weeks ago. His father and I split before he was 2. Ex was/is abusive, coercive, controlling and a true narcissist. I am still processing and working through the trauma the relationship left me. I have, however, been extremely happily married to my now DH for 10 years and we have 3 younger DC together: 1 teen and 2 primary aged. DS1 always lived with me/us, and called DH dad through his own choice, though he knows he is SD and has had mostly regular contact with his father.

DS1 was diagnosed with Asperger's aged 5 and has struggled socially and educationally comensurate with this, though he is academically very capable. He is deeply embarassed by his diagnosis, despite our best attempts to destigmatise. We have always accepted and loved him the way he is, however he has also always been an extremely difficult child - beyond that expected with an ASD diagnosis. He is manipulative, deceitful, has been violent when younger, has a history of stealing and of making false accusations of abuse/discrimination in order to deflect from his own misdemeanours - this has been aimed at multiple adults over the years: teachers, step-parents and parents. Living with him has for some years been fraught with tension, due in part to us being on edge waiting for him to do something anti-social, and in part to our fear of enforcing any sort of boundaries because, for many years now, this has resulted in false accusations of physical abuse. He has never been abused, physically or otherwise.

Most recently, I was the one chosen to feel his wrath. It's never been me before. After several incidents at school regarding violence and their suspicion of him vaping/selling vapes on site (I've since found out he is/was, but they've not been able to catch him in the act) I removed his phone. I don't routinely check my teens phones as feel at 15/16 they deserve some privacy and we have solid restrictions in place on them, but he was extremely angry that I'd dared to take it to look as this is 'controlling' He responded by leaving the house at 11pm and going to his Dad's, where he then reported me to the police for an 'assault' that is entirely fabricated. I was arrested the morning after, held for 12 hours and interviewed under caution. I was then released on bail, with conditions that state I am not able to have any direct or indirect contact. This restriction seemed awful at first, but has possibly been a blessing in disguise.

As my username suggests, I am a teacher - well, still a student. I'm half way through SCITT. This investigation has meant I've not been allowed in any schools at all, my training is on hold. I've had to go on medication for anxiety and developed PTSD and agoraphobia. It's been horrendous. DS1 has been placed on a CiN plan whilst at his Dad's - our DC here have no SS involvement at all. It's now approaching my bail date, and DS1 has been messaging DS2 on snapchat. This means there's no trace of their conversation, but DS2 says that DS1 is miserable. He hates his life at his Dad's, he hates his SM and he desperately wants to come home. He claims that 'when' the police ask him if he wants to proceed with prosecution of me, he is going to decline (I'm well aware that's not how this works, but he genuinely believes he can choose whether to press charges or not: too much American TV/films). He has asked DS2 to ask DH and I if he can come home.

So, AIBU to feel like I have to say that no, this can't happen? My youngest DS has ASD too and has found this life change very difficult already. My DD is younger still and I am loathe to model acceptance of such coercive behaviour in the home. DS2 doen't deserve to be used as a go-between (I have not responded to/via DS2 at all and won't do so. I also wouldn't stop him talking to his brother though). My career may well be in tatters before it's even begun and I don't think I could ever relax and feel sure that I won't face this sort of 'punishment' from DS1 again. I've missed him terribly the last few weeks, but I've also slept so much better and I don't feel a constant anxiety when the phone rings of 'what now?' My SCITT have been fantastically supportive and will welcome me back to finish the course when the investigation is concluded with NFA, I would be terrified constantly that it would be ruined again. Not to mention my DH who has been an incredible support, but there's no denying he's found this extremely difficult. Without asking, I know he'll support my decision making either way, but I also know he would also be inclined to want to say no, though he'd be loathe to say it out loud. In short, I think we've all been through enough over the last decade.

But... I'm still DS1's Mum. The thought of him being miserable hurts deeply. I obviously want to make that go away. I just have no idea what to do. Am I being selfish?

Appreciate all viewpoints, but please don't be deliberately unkind, I am still very delicate. Thank you.

OP posts:
TheABC · 14/04/2023 12:09

Well, for a start you can't have him back right now as you are not supposed to have any contact with him. Asperger's or not, he is 16 and he is learning that his actions have consequences. He has put your career in jeopardy, with the possibility of a criminal record and those secondary stresses on your family.

I would wait until your bail date is over and consider counselling to unpick this mess. He might not be happy, but he is not in danger at his Dad's.

dietcokelime · 14/04/2023 12:11

Hi OP, that's a really sad read.

I think at 16 (even with a diagnosis) it's incredibly hard on you that he would falsely accuse you of assault. I know you're always their parent, but if you were a friend of mine in this situation I would 100% support you not moving back in someone who did that to you. Whilst yes your DS is a concern, I would also be worried for your other DC being exposed to this sort of behaviour.

Honestly sounds like you've been through hell, all because of a false accusation from your DS. Whilst there will be support needed for him in this situation, I think you also need to put yourself and other DC first. Selfish as it might sound, he's not happy at his dads but he's not in an unsafe situation there or in danger - which you could be accepting him home when he's already accused you of assault.

FrenchBoule · 14/04/2023 12:17

Wait until your bail is over. Do not contact DS1 at all.
Speak to DS2 and explain you can’t speak to DS1 and ask him to stop being go-between.

Let DS1 come to you when your bail is over. Let him make the first step.You stated he’s manipulative- he’s manipulating you and DS2 now for his own gain. You stand to lose a lot if you get involved now.

You are his mother and always will be but he needs to learn that actions have consequences. Quite catastrophic in this case and caused by him.

WimpoleHat · 14/04/2023 12:18

Asperger's or not, he is 16 and he is learning that his actions have consequences

Spot on. You’re not unreasonable not to have him back - you can’t. And you can’t as a direct result of his actions. And this is proper, grown up, serious stuff - it’s not something where he can say “sorry” and it will all go away. What a dreadful situation for you and your family - I really hope that you get a resolution soon. And be kind to yourself. You are doing your very best in truly awful circumstances which aren’t of your making.

AluckyEllie · 14/04/2023 12:18

I think, unfortunately that you need to put yourself and your other children first. He has caused such disruption to your life and career- he is old enough to understand consequences. When you are able to meet him again can you meet him somewhere neutral, maybe a grandparents or his dads? You can continue to have a relationship without him under your roof.

How does his biological dad feel about him living with him? Are you still on good terms?

Chewmeric · 14/04/2023 12:19

Am I being selfish?

I don't think so. The consequences of your son's actions have been pretty bloody major, if you let him come home he'll have just got away with it all. There need to be consequences for his actions, even if you don't feel good about having to use your boundaries with your own son. If it was any other person in the world, would you feel the same guilt for wanting some peace? For not wanting to be abused? This boy has obviously been heavily influenced by his biological father. And look how long it's taking you to recover from his behaviour towards you.

You know how manipulative and coercive he can be. Don't ever forget that. All the wanting to come home and being unhappy elsewhere - he made his choice. There is no happy ever after, or even calm, with this type of personality. You have to protect all the members of your household. I don't think you owe him anything, not now.

Are you having specialist professional help at all?

FrenchBoule · 14/04/2023 12:19

Oh and what’s DS1’s definition of „miserable”? Boundaries put in place by his DF and SM? If so let him feel them. Nothing wrong with boundaries.

Heronwatcher · 14/04/2023 12:19

Honestly no, I wouldn’t have him back in the house permanently. I would do everything else I could do to support him, like seeing him regularly, discussing why he’s miserable at his dads and seeing if anything can change or even seeing if I could help him access some kind of supported living scheme. But I would not let him live with me again after this- or I would bet things will go backwards and the cycle will start again, in 6 months time you’ll be back in a police station. You’ve got to think about your own health and other kids.

But I think your plan of not engaging with this at all is completely correct and if you did start discussions via your DS2 you’d be in breach of your bail conditions so be very very careful until the charges are dropped.

Thehop · 14/04/2023 12:19

I have some similar experience and am so so sorry.

you are not being unreasonable at all.

unhapoy at dads doesn't mean unsafe at dads. Time for him to live there for a while. You can't risk your job and the rest of your family. He's 16. Awful to have this threat hanging over you constantly.

Ktime · 14/04/2023 12:20

YANBU. I would not have him back, he’s 16, not 6 and he made his choice.

Prioritise your younger DC and keep them safe.

If you have DS1 back, I suspect his behaviour will escalate and become violent because he will feel emboldened by his return into the fold.

Decktheschools · 14/04/2023 12:20

Your story of his behaviour makes me think of PDA. Have you considered he might have a PDA profile, in which case your parenting strategies need to take this into account. Have a look at the PDA Society website.
If he has an an EHCP a suitable therapeutic residential school might help? It sounds like he's been in crisis for years and is probably extremely stressed and anxious. Please keep in mind I can only go off what you've written, so could be way off the mark.

icanneverthinkofnc · 14/04/2023 12:21

Oh god, I feel for you, OP. As he is safe at his father's, I would say he stays put. He needs to understand he can't just click his fingers and get his own way. He is old enough to understand that trust is earned. He has made accusations with serious consequences. He has to understand the gravity of that.

BlackeyedSusan · 14/04/2023 12:22

No, I wouldn't live with him either.

Actions have consequences. This was a really big thing he did. You are not going to feel safe around him. You aren't going to be able to parent him in case he throws another accusation out. He might do the same to your younger kids.

Yes he's young and autistic and makes mistakes but he doesn't seem to learn from doing it before. And you are important too and need to care for you too. And your younger kids.

Tinkerbyebye · 14/04/2023 12:23

I thing, despite the Asperger’s, he's old enough to understand actions have consequences which I think he learnt as he is not happy at his dads, but he is not the only one you have to think about, you have yourself and your three other children, and your husband.

if he is prepared to make up stories about you, then who is to say he won’t about his step dad, or his siblings? As he gets older will he get worse?

he would be better staying with his father, but having counselling/support to understand why he acts as he dies and why he feels that’s acceptable. He is in a safe place with his father, not living on the street, so he can stay there

you can rebuild and concentrate on your other children, and perhaps at some point attend counselling with him to start to build the relationship again

TempNCforthis · 14/04/2023 12:24

He's done a terrible thing and now he has to pay the price for it by living with his dad and stepmum. I can't imagine she's too happy about that, given his really bad attitude and his false reporting. I wouldn't be surprised if she leaves soon.

I wouldn't agree to him coming home. I would ask your son to take screenshots if possible of the conversations. They could prove invaluable to you.

NImumconfused · 14/04/2023 12:25

For the sake of yourself and the rest of your family, I think you have to say no, at least in the short term. If he gets away with this, the next accusation could be worse, eg sexual abuse allegations against you or DH.

Once this current case is dealt with, you could possibly suggest some type of family counselling and see where it goes from there, but you can't just forgive and forget with no consequences or recognition of wrongdoing from DS1. He may not be enjoying his current living conditions, but he's fed and housed and safe, and the rest of the family deserves some respite from his behaviour.

Namechangeteach · 14/04/2023 12:26

FrenchBoule · 14/04/2023 12:17

Wait until your bail is over. Do not contact DS1 at all.
Speak to DS2 and explain you can’t speak to DS1 and ask him to stop being go-between.

Let DS1 come to you when your bail is over. Let him make the first step.You stated he’s manipulative- he’s manipulating you and DS2 now for his own gain. You stand to lose a lot if you get involved now.

You are his mother and always will be but he needs to learn that actions have consequences. Quite catastrophic in this case and caused by him.

Thanks to all reponses so far.

Just to be abundantly clear: I have not and will not be doing anything before the bail date and although I've listened to DS2 I have no and would not 'respond' through him. He's just a kid himself, but he does understand the importance of that, why I'm not responding and the gravity of the situation.

I am very concerned that, whilst I don't doubt that DS1 is unhappy at Dad's, this is likely to be more manipulation, and that is something I'm very much keeping in mind.

My instinct is like many PP's responses: this is the bed he's made for himself and the consequences of his actions this time have gone much, much further than before. He's not a small child who doesn't understand etc.

It's interesting that somebody suggested a middle ground of supported living; this sort of arrangement had occurred to me, but I'd thought of helping set him up in a studio or similar once he's a bit older. I moved out at 17 and DM helped with that (I was pregnant with DS1 then).

I was only DS1's age when I met his DF. He was 24. I realise now what I didn't then. I don't and won't have any contact with my ex. I can't, for the aforementioned reasons. I learnt, eventually, that it's not possible to communicate with him.

OP posts:
Whenisitsummer · 14/04/2023 12:27

Absolutely not. Taking your post at face value , he has told lies which may well result in you having a criminal record, social service involvement with regards to your other children and the end of your career before it’s even started. Yes he is you son but he will destroy your lives if you let him.

NurseCranesRolodex · 14/04/2023 12:28

He can't come back at the moment. You need to be keeping the lines of communication open with ex so that you can be sure of his wellbeing. Is THERE an organisation social worker who can liaise.

Ktime · 14/04/2023 12:30

NurseCranesRolodex · 14/04/2023 12:28

He can't come back at the moment. You need to be keeping the lines of communication open with ex so that you can be sure of his wellbeing. Is THERE an organisation social worker who can liaise.

Keeping comms open with an abusive, coercive, controlling and narcissistic ex is detrimental to OP, she should not do it.

NoSquirrels · 14/04/2023 12:30

I think that as you are not allowed to contact DS1, then you just need to explain to DS2 that this isn’t a decision that you and your DH are even allowed to make. That it’s not about whether you and DH can ‘take DS1 back’, it’s up to the courts/SS to decide what is best for DS1 and that includes where he lives. You need to be clear to DS2 - and yourself - that this is not a decision you are allowed to make.

You’re in a hard place because I imagine it feels terrible knowing DS1’s father is a controlling narcissist and you’re leaving your child with him. But it’s not your decision right now.

Nimbostratus100 · 14/04/2023 12:30

protect yourself, your home and your family, and dont have him back over the threshold

In time, If he wants a relationship, see him in a public place, or on recorded face time

Leftphalange100 · 14/04/2023 12:33

Oh OP this is all so sad. I don't think I would have him back in our home. I would support him in a sense, because as his mum I wouldn't be able to cut him off completely, but this would be witnessed, in public places etc.

CandyLeBonBon · 14/04/2023 12:34

God op I really resonate with your post. I've had similar, though less extreme versions of your situation and it's brutal, draining and utterly soul destroying. I'm so sorry.

I completely understand why you're torn on this.

I think you have to be guided by the police in this and frankly use them as a shield, for now. It means that decision isn't coming from you. Once the police decide to drop the case, I think it's worth getting SS involved in a care plan of some sort because you and your other dc are in danger and they need to know that. I'd also be pushing for a mental health assessment- it's possible there's BPD/EUPD at play here (saying that as I've had a similar set of issues with my eldest ds and his behaviour is/was similar and that was their suggestion, although not currently diagnosed). Of course it's traumatising for him. Unfortunately that's the result of his behaviour. But SS involvement, mental health assessment and specialist therapy, plus an agreed, written and signed daily constitution/manifesto in place so that he cannot wriggle out of required standards of behaviour going forwards, with a firm understanding that if this happens again, he moves out permanently.

There needs to be a lot of robust planning, and external support in place to protect both you and him and I'd be making very very sure he knew the consequences of doing this again. But that notwithstanding you can't do anything until the police drop the case/charges and give you the all clear. Best of luck op, you have my sincere sympathies Flowers

Twinsmummy1812 · 14/04/2023 12:35

I’m sorry you are in this situation, it sounds like life has been very tough with your son. As pp’s have mentioned you can’t have contact at the moment, this is of his making so please don’t feel guilty. I’m surprised that the police are continuing a prosecution given your son’s history and I hope your son realises how serious the consequences of his accusations have been for you and your family. I think I would write him a letter spelling all of this out to him and then leave him with his father. You have more than done your share and it’s his father’s turn.

Once this is all sorted perhaps look for a suitable residential college or similar where he can learn to be a bit more responsible for himself and his actions? Either way I would be reluctant to have him back in your home again, as you say a further accusation could ruin everything for you. Good luck op x