AIBU - Transgender 'athletes'

[HappyHippo1234]

To start off - I have no issue with trans people at all. The only issue I have is transgender females (male to female) competing in women sports.

Yes, they may have been taking hormones and they have lost some muscle and gained some fat. But, they have stronger bones and bigger spines, hands, feet, lungs and hearts. Basically trans females have an advantage over biological females.

What I absolutely HATE about the situation, it the trans athletes attitude, it honestly disgusts me. Did they never take biology as teenagers or learn about puberty?
For them to sit there with their wins and say that they have no advantage just p*sses me off. Are they stupid or ignorant? There's no way they don't know they have an advantage. Do they not realise they are taking wins away from girls and woman who have spent their whole lives training for a sport only for it to be taken away from someone who was a mediocre male.

Look at Lia Thomas, she was somewhere in the 400-500th best college male swimmer or something like that. She is now trans and BAM she is number 1 and winning everything.

It just annoys me to no end. Especially the trans woman who you can tell that they KNOW they have a major advantage and are cheating the system and then sit there with a SMUG GRIN on their faces. I mean every Caitlyn Jenner said it's wrong.

Sorry for the rant. My DD15 has been upset all week as on the weekend another girl beat all the girls by a huge stretch in her cross country meet (her team is usually 1st but were bumped to 2nd). At first everyone thought this girl was great, until one mom heard the group the girl was with discussing the results and how it was great for the team that this girl came out as trans and was boosting their results etc! Fair to say that news travelled quickly and there were MANY parents complaining to officials. But surprise surprise nothing was done about it. So at the award giving ceremony everyone waited as everything up to 1st place was given out and as soon as they got to the 1st team, I would say 95% of people walked away. It felt harsh but necessary!
(Also the girl was 16 and had only recently transitioned from what we could gather and when you actually looked at her you could tell she had gone through at least some portion of male puberty). Again nothing against the girl just don't think she could compete.

And to get around all these discrimination lawsuits, I think they should change the categories! Have an XX category and an XY category, that why there is no debate and no 'discrimination' as you can't identify as XY if you are XX! (And then also have an open category where trans, non-binary etc. can compete).

SORRY THAT WAS SO LONG. NOW FOR THE VOTE:

YABU - Trans (XX) women are woman and should be allowed to compete with XY women, even though they scientifically have an advantage.

YANBU - They will always have an advantage and so should not compete with XY women.

the misogyny always shines through. Doesn’t it?

i see we got to racism to go with the misogyny. Lovely.

😮‍💨

Are you male?

Happylittlechicken
At least I type what I think, not what someone else has just told me to type. 😀

Er…. Huh? Who exactly is telling me to type anything? Are you daydrinking?

I dont think I am being racist at all. Alan Wells was the last white man to win the 100 metres in 1980. How is that racist to point that out. You people just jump quickly to throw around the insults like "racist".

@MsJD which people? You seem a bit confused. Maybe a nice sit down and a cup of tea will help to ease misogynistic racist syndrome. And have a biscuit as well. I find a nice jammy dodger helps 😀

Ah. Not content with plowing the sex stereotypes furrow, we are also being treated to a pretty standard set of racial stereotypes. All expressed in the vein of: ‘just saying. It’s a fact’.

Just lovely.

fucking hell!

You have absolutely no concern for women and girl’s safety at all!

You can only look at this from the view of who would win!

Each of your posts shines the light brighter.

Because you are using racist trope.

And give your knuckles a brush while you're at it @MsJD

Maybe you could educate yourself, instead of spreading racist stereotypes.

https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/apr/04/i-was-the-only-black-kid-in-the-pool-why-swimming-is-so-white

No - because black women are not faster than white men.

while there are some interesting conversations to be around the impact of race in sport it is very different to the conversation about sex. The number one thing that causes a huge disparity in virtually every sport at every level is biological sex. The difference between men and women is in reality not even close. Most studies show a consistent differential of 10% which if you know anything about sport is an absolutely huge amount that can never be bridged.

AlecTrevelyan006
Except that reducing the testosterone levels of a Woman Born Transsexual to a that of a Woman Born Woman and increasing her Estrogen levels to that of a Woman Born Woman greatly reduces that 10% advantage.

i know this is a repeat, but I am not going to type it out again

For anyone who thinks males should compete in female sports categories, do you understand why there is a female sport’s category? It is only to allow female sports people to have fair competition.

Think about what other category boundaries you would be happy to accept

A 25 year old competing against a 10 year old?

A 25 year old competing against a 85 year old?

A person who had 90% vision competing with someone with 5% vision ?

A person who was a professional standard athlete competing in a novice only event ?

A bicycle with an electric engine competing against a 100% human powered bicycle in the Tour de France?

If you have said yes to any of these, why? if you have said no, then why would you accept a male with pubertal advantages in a female sports category?

I don’t know how people can post this

Are you a man?

I don’t get how these views get formed and then actually posted. It’s just so bad

Tbh, I absolutely do not believe that poster is posting in good faith. In any way.

Posting openly misogynistic and racist nonsense is a great way to stir up trouble and get lots of attention.

Helleofabore
They arent males, they are women born transsexual who have undergone hormone therapy that has eliminated any advantage that they might have had.

They dont have electric motors in their bicycles (been done).
They arent pretending to be a different age to set records (been done by a supposed centenarian, who was probable about 85).
They arent able bodied people pretending to be disables (been done in the Paralympics).

They aren't women. They are biological men. They have bigger hearts and lungs, giving them an unfair advantage over women. They either need their own trans category or to compete in the category of their biological sex.

Except that you don't seem to have read the science that shows that males reducing their testosterone does not actually reduce their advantages.

There is literally no way to 'unboil an egg'. Once a male has their skeleton developed through puberty, there is absolutely no way to lose those advantages. None. And skeletal advantages is just one part of the advantages. And no, it doesn't refer to height. Although height is part of it.

Then there is the musculator of the body. That is not 'similar to female' musculator either and conveys benefits. Such as muscles used for jumping, and changing direction and so many things.

I suggest you read the thread.

There is a great many posts that will show this post of yours as being ignorant. You have listened to the messages that people who support males competing against females in female sports categories have told you, that are based on wishes and dreams of inclusion.

Not on reality.

Yep.

There is a great many posts that will show this post of yours as being ignorant.

They won't care. They don't respect womens views on the matter. Only the views of the males who want to cheat, I mean 'compete', against women. Deluded and won't listen to any scientific facts because it doesn't suit their agenda.

You are living in a world shaped by a theory that is not anything like the truth if you believe that these male people are not still 'male.'

Who benefits from you believing this clear falsehood?

And it is not trans people. Any male who cannot accept that they are still male is dangerously harming themselves and needs really specific support. Do you honestly think those male friends of yours are in the belief that they are no longer 'male'?

FFS. Do you know what could happen if a male lies on their medical records and receives the blood from a woman who has been pregnant? Do you understand this is no 'nice bubble' to live in? This is doing all trans people a disservice.