AIBU - Transgender 'athletes'

[HappyHippo1234]

To start off - I have no issue with trans people at all. The only issue I have is transgender females (male to female) competing in women sports.

Yes, they may have been taking hormones and they have lost some muscle and gained some fat. But, they have stronger bones and bigger spines, hands, feet, lungs and hearts. Basically trans females have an advantage over biological females.

What I absolutely HATE about the situation, it the trans athletes attitude, it honestly disgusts me. Did they never take biology as teenagers or learn about puberty?
For them to sit there with their wins and say that they have no advantage just p*sses me off. Are they stupid or ignorant? There's no way they don't know they have an advantage. Do they not realise they are taking wins away from girls and woman who have spent their whole lives training for a sport only for it to be taken away from someone who was a mediocre male.

Look at Lia Thomas, she was somewhere in the 400-500th best college male swimmer or something like that. She is now trans and BAM she is number 1 and winning everything.

It just annoys me to no end. Especially the trans woman who you can tell that they KNOW they have a major advantage and are cheating the system and then sit there with a SMUG GRIN on their faces. I mean every Caitlyn Jenner said it's wrong.

Sorry for the rant. My DD15 has been upset all week as on the weekend another girl beat all the girls by a huge stretch in her cross country meet (her team is usually 1st but were bumped to 2nd). At first everyone thought this girl was great, until one mom heard the group the girl was with discussing the results and how it was great for the team that this girl came out as trans and was boosting their results etc! Fair to say that news travelled quickly and there were MANY parents complaining to officials. But surprise surprise nothing was done about it. So at the award giving ceremony everyone waited as everything up to 1st place was given out and as soon as they got to the 1st team, I would say 95% of people walked away. It felt harsh but necessary!
(Also the girl was 16 and had only recently transitioned from what we could gather and when you actually looked at her you could tell she had gone through at least some portion of male puberty). Again nothing against the girl just don't think she could compete.

And to get around all these discrimination lawsuits, I think they should change the categories! Have an XX category and an XY category, that why there is no debate and no 'discrimination' as you can't identify as XY if you are XX! (And then also have an open category where trans, non-binary etc. can compete).

SORRY THAT WAS SO LONG. NOW FOR THE VOTE:

YABU - Trans (XX) women are woman and should be allowed to compete with XY women, even though they scientifically have an advantage.

YANBU - They will always have an advantage and so should not compete with XY women.

Oops.

I picked up in another thread a sledge about ‘intersectionality’

I meant ‘post’.

I completely agree. I never knew much about competitive sports until I had children who have both turned out to be swimmers. It has massively opened my eyes to the impact of puberty for both sexes. Female born females, have to go through all kinds of changes which are not all beneficial in the pool - they gain fat, breasts and have periods. They can't develop the same muscle that men have or grow as tall.

For boys going through puberty is a HUGE advantage. They start to grow v tall, lay down muscle and their times increase hugely over this period.

Training 6 or 7 days a week in a good club, sometimes twice a day, with the height and muscle advantage that makes have from.puberty, leads to massive increased advantage in every way.

Taking hormone blockers and reducing your testosterone after puberty does not eliminate the huge advantages that a person born male and gone through male puberty has already had - not least height and body dimensions, which cannot be undone. There is also all that training at higher speeds and higher levels than cannot be undone.

You cant tell which boys will be good in swimming until after puberty because puberty is such a powerful and influential time for boys. It can trun them into rockets in the pool. Girls do not have that advantage and in fact puberty can be really tough on them and reduce speed on some cases.

It is HUGELY unfair for males to compete in the same category as those born female, especially after puberty.

IMO in all sports there should be three categories - male, female and trans. This doesn't stop anyone competing and allows trans athletes to compete on a more level playing field. It also enables them to pave the way for their own recognition in sports.

I raised this discussions with a student once and they made a complaint against me. It seems there is only one narrative allowed to be spoken sometimes, and that's dangerous.

And for any reader who wonders why female athletes don’t speak up about their honest opinion about competing against males in female sports categories, please watch this. (It does contain significant intimidation, violent in how it is carried out)

https://twitter.com/davidllamas_/status/1644188996887777280

This woman is Riley Gaines. She was a woman who lost her podium place to a male swimmer. She tied with them. The organisers chose to put that male on the podium and give them the trophy instead of Thomas and Riley Gaines being shown to be equal. Riley had her trophy posted to her, there was no discussion.

Riley has bravely spoken out and has been demonised for doing so. Last night, she spoke and had to have police protection to leave.

This is why female athletes don’t speak up. And by not speaking up people twist that as being ‘no one spoke up, women must agree’. (This is the same rhetoric we see from males who use female toilets - completely missing the fact that woman and girls will rarely tell a male off in the toilets through fear of abuse or attack)

‘It seems unfair that trans women cannot compete in their chosen sport that they may have dedicated their lives to’

They can, but most people think it should be either in an open category or in the category of their biological sex.

Even kids’ sport now affected? I’d be livid.

This is just horrendous. All because a woman spoke the truth.

This

I honestly think some of these men made the transition just so they could get a medal at women.

trans women are men

Changeau · Yesterday 09:55
MrsSkylerWhite · Yesterday 09:50

Don’t know why they can’t extend categories, have separate ones for trans people 🤷‍♀️

“Triathlon already does and I'd imagine that's exactly what will happen over “

Good, sensible solution to accommodate everyone. Hardly a stretch to add additional public toilets/changing rooms for trans people and set up a separate wing where trans people don’t mix with women/male prisoners. As most things, down to lack of resources I guess.

I think so. Also some because they like to beat up women (male MMA taking on females)

A New York road race offers the equal prize for non-binary people as they do for ‘men’s’ and ‘women’s’ events.

Nothing needed to prove NB status. The first year the person who claimed that pot was below the 100 ranking line. This second year they were much higher.

I suspect that athletes who cannot compete with the top male athletes have cottoned on.

Tbh, this is just pretty standard for the gaslighty rehetoric of trans activism.

Loads of noise about how they’re being excluded and erased. But trans women are not being stopped from participating; they just don’t get to compete against women, where they are at a distinct advantage.

Indeed, if anything, the risk of erasure is for the women and girls who are excluded from sporting competition because biological males are using their advantages to take their qualifying places. So all the fuss is about how unfair it is that women are unhappy being excluded and won’t just ‘be kind’ (I.e. shut up and smile).

Same logic applies to the TRA claims to women’s spaces more generally.

Helleofabore · Today 08:53

Oops. .I picked up in another thread a sledge...

Sledge actually works quite well, in the context.

I clicked yabu because they are athletes and not "athletes".
Whether they should or should not be allowed to compete as women is a matter for the sporting authorities.

IMO, nobody should be allowed an unfair advantage. However, please dont disparage their talent or hard work by referring to them as "athletes". At least they arent coach potatoes.

Sorry, I meant lardy arsed couch potatoes.

The word is probably in quotes because self respecting true athletes hate cheaters. No true athlete would cheat. Look at Lance Armstrong, would you call him an athlete or a drug taking cheat?

They arent cheating, though, are they? They are competing within the rules. If the rules are wrong, then the rules need changing.

What do you know about Lance Armstrong? I think he was a hell of a lot more than a drug cheat.

Yes yes they are. They know they’re cheating and they’re proud of it. Why would a male who knew he had advantages over any female he competed with, choose to do so. The fact the gender ideologists have somehow convinced the authorities this is fair their fishy science and emotional blackmail is neither here or there. Would you be cheering on an adult that joined a children’s league and won all the races? If not, why not? That adult would have just as much advantage over the children as males have over women, so by your logic, it’s not cheating right?

It’s only cheating if it's against the rules.

I doubt any male who is now competing is not fully aware of this unless it is them deliberately not seeking to understand the science.

Therefore is a male who understands they have an unfair advantage, and still seeks to compete in female sport categories not a cheat because rules allow it?

Is a person knowingly behaving unethically ethic because there is no law against it?

They believe they are female, so in their minds, they arent cheating.

Sure.

And I’ve got a bridge I’d like to sell you….

No. They believe they are women.

Many of these athletes know they are male.

Should we believe these male athletes do not have agency over their decisions. That deliberate ignorance should be rewarded?
Do you think they don’t know fully that their inclusion is contentious and yet they choose to do so anyway?

Some of these are very mature males. Are you trying to say that an athlete should not be responsible for doing their own research about this and should not have made a deliberate informed decision. Especially to understand the research that is already published.