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AIBU - Transgender 'athletes'

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HappyHippo1234 · 06/04/2023 00:38

To start off - I have no issue with trans people at all. The only issue I have is transgender females (male to female) competing in women sports.

Yes, they may have been taking hormones and they have lost some muscle and gained some fat. But, they have stronger bones and bigger spines, hands, feet, lungs and hearts. Basically trans females have an advantage over biological females.

What I absolutely HATE about the situation, it the trans athletes attitude, it honestly disgusts me. Did they never take biology as teenagers or learn about puberty?
For them to sit there with their wins and say that they have no advantage just p*sses me off. Are they stupid or ignorant? There's no way they don't know they have an advantage. Do they not realise they are taking wins away from girls and woman who have spent their whole lives training for a sport only for it to be taken away from someone who was a mediocre male.

Look at Lia Thomas, she was somewhere in the 400-500th best college male swimmer or something like that. She is now trans and BAM she is number 1 and winning everything.

It just annoys me to no end. Especially the trans woman who you can tell that they KNOW they have a major advantage and are cheating the system and then sit there with a SMUG GRIN on their faces. I mean every Caitlyn Jenner said it's wrong.

Sorry for the rant. My DD15 has been upset all week as on the weekend another girl beat all the girls by a huge stretch in her cross country meet (her team is usually 1st but were bumped to 2nd). At first everyone thought this girl was great, until one mom heard the group the girl was with discussing the results and how it was great for the team that this girl came out as trans and was boosting their results etc! Fair to say that news travelled quickly and there were MANY parents complaining to officials. But surprise surprise nothing was done about it. So at the award giving ceremony everyone waited as everything up to 1st place was given out and as soon as they got to the 1st team, I would say 95% of people walked away. It felt harsh but necessary!
(Also the girl was 16 and had only recently transitioned from what we could gather and when you actually looked at her you could tell she had gone through at least some portion of male puberty). Again nothing against the girl just don't think she could compete.

And to get around all these discrimination lawsuits, I think they should change the categories! Have an XX category and an XY category, that why there is no debate and no 'discrimination' as you can't identify as XY if you are XX! (And then also have an open category where trans, non-binary etc. can compete).

SORRY THAT WAS SO LONG. NOW FOR THE VOTE:

YABU - Trans (XX) women are woman and should be allowed to compete with XY women, even though they scientifically have an advantage.

YANBU - They will always have an advantage and so should not compete with XY women.

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MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:42

My mate is trans and she transitioned 15 years ago. She medalled at the Commonwealth Games (bronze) as a guy years ago. We recently went through the record books, looking for age world records she can beat in her sport. It never occurred to her to compete in the Women's category until she started reading all this anti-trans nonsense on Twitter and Mumsnet. Now she thinks it might be a way of pushing back against the pushing back.

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 12:43

Didn’t Veronica Ivy, the well known bike cheat, claim that I’d women wanted to win against males with a trans identity they’d just need to try harder? The same athlete who failed to place own any male races but became an international champion in the female category. Didn’t Lia Thomas go from 492 in the make league to number one in the female league? Depriving young women athletesof scholarship and sponsorship opportunities? Didn’t laurel hubbard go from unplaced in the male power lifting to going to the olympics, depriving a young indigenous woman of that privilege? Tell me again how they don’t know they’re cheating and the effect their actions have on women and girls…..

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:43

Honestly, if there was no regulation that said a 25 year old should not compete in the under 12 year old competition. Would you not think the 25 year old was cheating? Even if people had told that person they were 11?

How about another category push for that 25 year old to compete with an 85 year old. Ok, if there was no rules, although it was well understood that being called an over 85 year old category means only for over 85 year old?

What about if there were flawed rules that allowed a fully sighted person entering into a competition for people with no vision at all? Still ok with you ethically ?

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 12:44

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:42

My mate is trans and she transitioned 15 years ago. She medalled at the Commonwealth Games (bronze) as a guy years ago. We recently went through the record books, looking for age world records she can beat in her sport. It never occurred to her to compete in the Women's category until she started reading all this anti-trans nonsense on Twitter and Mumsnet. Now she thinks it might be a way of pushing back against the pushing back.

So you’re friend is a cheat who’s going to invade womens sports for spite? Wow! Nice friend you’ve got there.

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:45

Some sports, it would be utterly wrong for trans women to compete against cis women. Boxing for example, Women's Boxing is more like Slapping than Boxing to be honest.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:45

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:42

My mate is trans and she transitioned 15 years ago. She medalled at the Commonwealth Games (bronze) as a guy years ago. We recently went through the record books, looking for age world records she can beat in her sport. It never occurred to her to compete in the Women's category until she started reading all this anti-trans nonsense on Twitter and Mumsnet. Now she thinks it might be a way of pushing back against the pushing back.

And do you think this is a mature and responsible response?

Because I think it is showing exactly how misogynistic your friend is. That they as a male cannot get what they demand so they will harm women to make a point.

And you are here saying it is ‘not cheating because rules’….

PSNonsense · 07/04/2023 12:46

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:42

My mate is trans and she transitioned 15 years ago. She medalled at the Commonwealth Games (bronze) as a guy years ago. We recently went through the record books, looking for age world records she can beat in her sport. It never occurred to her to compete in the Women's category until she started reading all this anti-trans nonsense on Twitter and Mumsnet. Now she thinks it might be a way of pushing back against the pushing back.

Wanting fairness in sport and to preserve sex based spaces = anti-trans. YAWN.

PSNonsense · 07/04/2023 12:46

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:42

My mate is trans and she transitioned 15 years ago. She medalled at the Commonwealth Games (bronze) as a guy years ago. We recently went through the record books, looking for age world records she can beat in her sport. It never occurred to her to compete in the Women's category until she started reading all this anti-trans nonsense on Twitter and Mumsnet. Now she thinks it might be a way of pushing back against the pushing back.

Nothing screams male entitlement more than this.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:47

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:45

Some sports, it would be utterly wrong for trans women to compete against cis women. Boxing for example, Women's Boxing is more like Slapping than Boxing to be honest.

No sports except equestrian allows males to compete fairly with females.

Name the sports you think would be ok.

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 12:47

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:45

Some sports, it would be utterly wrong for trans women to compete against cis women. Boxing for example, Women's Boxing is more like Slapping than Boxing to be honest.

Please stop using cis. It’s an offensive and demeaning term. And ooops… your misogyny is slipping there. May want to readjust your er…. Cup?

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:49

“Women's Boxing is more like Slapping than Boxing to be honest.”

Goodness… I think this makes your point beautifully!

Readers, once you see it, you will not unsee it.

SinnerBoy · 07/04/2023 12:50

MsJD · Today 12:25

What do you know about Lance Armstrong? I think he was a hell of a lot more than a drug cheat.

Yes, he's also a blackmailing bully, who co-opted a team of thugs to silence people, to maintain his myth. And made over $100 million, mostly not paid back.

He made himself out to be some sort of hero, after causing himself to develop testicular cancer, from the performance enhancing drugs he took, the cheating, grifting scumbag.

And your trans mate sounds like a top of the range arse, if he's thinking of going into women's events, just to stick it to the MN Massive.

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:51

Certain races appear to have advantages in certain sports. Shall we have separate race categories for sprinting?

PSNonsense · 07/04/2023 12:52

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:49

“Women's Boxing is more like Slapping than Boxing to be honest.”

Goodness… I think this makes your point beautifully!

Readers, once you see it, you will not unsee it.

Yep! They slip eventually.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 07/04/2023 12:52

I can feel the Phelps gambit honing into view do very soon….🙄

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:52

Helleofabore

I take it you have boxed?

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:53

And people question why the EHRC believes that the law needs to be clarified to protect female people.

Because…. the lack of clear rules means that some people think males lose their agency to respect other’s needs before demanding their own are fully satisfied.

Just for anyone who needed a live demonstration of that.

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 12:54

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:51

Certain races appear to have advantages in certain sports. Shall we have separate race categories for sprinting?

Errr… that’s really really racist. Please stop it.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:56

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:51

Certain races appear to have advantages in certain sports. Shall we have separate race categories for sprinting?

What a racist comment.

The fact is those are people of one sex competing against others of the same sex. And there has been champions of all races in those events.

So, not only supporting misogyny in what is being posted, but clearly racist.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:56

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:52

Helleofabore

I take it you have boxed?

Why?

MarshaBradyo · 07/04/2023 12:56

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:45

Some sports, it would be utterly wrong for trans women to compete against cis women. Boxing for example, Women's Boxing is more like Slapping than Boxing to be honest.

Just use men and women, ‘cis’ isn’t necessary

Helleofabore · 07/04/2023 12:57

Wait for it…. Next will come the Phelps factor!

MsJD · 07/04/2023 12:58

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WickedSerious · 07/04/2023 12:59

Flowerly · 07/04/2023 09:18

This is just horrendous. All because a woman spoke the truth.

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The truth is about as popular as cold sores nowadays.

Happylittlechicken · 07/04/2023 13:00

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