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Child has dropped out of grammar school and I'm panicking

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:21

DD 18 stopped going to school at the beginning of this year, she's meant to be writing A levels. She got good GCSEs moved to a grammar school during the pandemic. No bullying as far as we are aware. She is very outgoing and sociable and is still bubbly on the phone to her friends.

School have been round to the house. All sorts of meetings. She just says, 'I'll try to do better' then goes right back to what it was before.

She takes antidepressants but won't see a therapist. She says 'there aren't any'. We have Bupa. I called and they said since she's over 18 she has to do it herself but she won't.

She refuses to do chores. Her room is disgusting. You have to climb over piles of clothes. I go in there to get plates once they have run out in the house. She has a bathroom to herself and it's a state too. Never cleaned and I'm not doing it. (School didn't see her room, only downstairs which is normal)

She stays in bed all day, is up all night on the phone. She goes out on weekends with her friends and comes back on Monday.

We've stopped pocket money, stopped driving lessons. She doesn't care.

I've explained all her friends will finish school and be doing things and she'll get left behind. If she decides A levels are not for her then she needs to get a job or an apprenticeship. Since she was in primary school we've gone to like 50 different 'career talk' things. (Not arranged by school, just things I've found, like a charity called Stemettes) Scientists, astronauts, artists. All sorts. To get an idea of what sort of thing she might enjoy when she finishes school.

Today I said if she just goes to school from today to the end of the year I'll pay for her to travel regardless of grades. Just to go to school. She's still in bed. Offer off the table.

She said what she wants is for us to rent her a studio apartment and then she'll go to school. I said 1. We can't afford that, 2. That's why people go to school, get qualifications so they can do that for themselves.

It's just three of us here and her step father and I have rows. I said if she wants to go and live with a school friend for a few months we will pay for her expenses there for the 3 months until school ends. She says she wants her own flat.

I'm at my wit's end. My mum came over to speak to her from another city a few months ago. No change.

Her biological dad is a deadbeat who moved back abroad when she was in nursery. He has paid nothing and has little contact with her and has a new family, including a stepdaughter her age and two new babies. I imagine that's upsetting to her as he's on social media playing happy families.

I don't know what to do.

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Commonhousewitch · 27/03/2023 09:23

how is she paying to go out and use her phone?
Do you know what triggered this- it sounds sudden?

WhoStoleMyTiddyOggy · 27/03/2023 09:27

In your shoes, I'd take her out for a day. Somewhere totally off the beaten track, seaside, countryside whatever. I'd feed her food she likes, so she's rested & has had a change of scenery. Then I'd talk about her long term aspirations and I don't mean work. What are the things she loves? I'd talk about healthy relationships including the relationship she has with herself. Their brains don't fully mature until about 25 I heard so it's a worrying time for her.

EyesOnThePies · 27/03/2023 09:28

She sounds disturbed or ill.

None if the rewards or threats will help get to the root cause of this.

Why are you and your partner rowing?

PrinceHaz · 27/03/2023 09:29

My daughter has good GCSEs but has dropped out of college. Her room is a pit and she’s not doing anything to occupy herself apart from seeing boyfriend and talking to him into the night.
For context, she has a recent autism diagnosis. College compared to school has been different, too much travel, sensory overload and too much freedom. We have applied to a more local college and have just got her an EHCP so we are hoping that she’ll have a fresh start in September.
I’d recommend trying to get support from Careers Connect. They are helping my daughter with CV writing, getting her voluntary work (if she’ll do it) and have got her and me a free gym pass. I’d also recommend looking into whether your daughter is neurodiverse - ADHD or ADD or autistic. What you describe is very typical for neurodiverse young people.

DogFleece · 27/03/2023 09:31

It sounds like she’s had an awful lot of pressure on her to succeed. Keeping on the pressure is likely to push her further down.

Let her be for a while, take away the need to be constantly doing something that you want her to do. Prioritise her mental health, let her know it’s ok to have a break if she needs it, after all, the current approach doesn’t seem to be working.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/03/2023 09:32

Wow, She really has you wrapped around her fingers.

She's 18. She's not at college... time to get a JOB and start contributing.

Ask her to move out. No, give her a timescale to move out.

JassyRadlett · 27/03/2023 09:33

When you say you and her stepfather have rows, how bad are they? How often? Is this part of why she wants her own space?

DogFleece · 27/03/2023 09:35

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 27/03/2023 09:32

Wow, She really has you wrapped around her fingers.

She's 18. She's not at college... time to get a JOB and start contributing.

Ask her to move out. No, give her a timescale to move out.

Oh yeah, kick her out, that’ll fix things 🙄

She doesn’t sound well, whether it’s a long term neurodivergence or a mental blip is impossible to tell from the OP‘s post.

DeeplyMovingExperience · 27/03/2023 09:35

I think clearing out her room and bathroom, giving everything a thorough clean and a bit of Marie Kondo or whatever, would be helpful for her. It sounds like she's struggling on several levels, and giving her a clean and organised environment might help her mentally.

This can be a very difficult and frightening age - the world can seem scary and overwhelming.

It's quite possible that she needs a lot of support through this time.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:35

Commonhousewitch · 27/03/2023 09:23

how is she paying to go out and use her phone?
Do you know what triggered this- it sounds sudden?

She is on the family phone plan. I honestly think the trigger was the pandemic and just staying indoors for weeks. I think she had never realised it's an option not to physically go to school.

I think she's panicking because the real world is on the horizon and it's scary.

I really worried about only fans or something, but her room is too messy. She says her friends pay for her to go out with them. My mum talked to her about grooming and painted a stark picture about getting involved in easy money things, so I don't think it is anything like that either. Or at least I hope so.

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:38

WhoStoleMyTiddyOggy · 27/03/2023 09:27

In your shoes, I'd take her out for a day. Somewhere totally off the beaten track, seaside, countryside whatever. I'd feed her food she likes, so she's rested & has had a change of scenery. Then I'd talk about her long term aspirations and I don't mean work. What are the things she loves? I'd talk about healthy relationships including the relationship she has with herself. Their brains don't fully mature until about 25 I heard so it's a worrying time for her.

I've actually done this. She just refused to speak to me and sat sulky like Kevin the teenager. I explicitly asked if it was abuse or even a family member or sexual assault. She said no.

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:40

EyesOnThePies · 27/03/2023 09:28

She sounds disturbed or ill.

None if the rewards or threats will help get to the root cause of this.

Why are you and your partner rowing?

I spoke to the GP but they said since she's an adult they can't do anything.

It's an unhappy relationship but I can't afford to get divorced.

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maranella · 27/03/2023 09:41

Sounds to me like she's acting out because of her dysfunctional life. Deadbeat dad who doesn't give a shit about her and has gone off to have another family, home life dominated by rows between mother and stepfather. It also sounds like she's probably depressed.

I don't know what the answer is OP, but acting out at this age when she's had a fucked up childhood is not that unusual. I was similar and had lots of friends who also came from broken/dysfunctional homes and it does mess with your head and make you not care. Her self-sabotage is quite extreme with only six months to go until she's technically 'free', but if she's not going to school and not going to take her A levels probably the best thing would be for her to get a job - particularly if what she wants is her own place. Have you talked to about earning money and starting to be self-sufficient? A few weeks/months in a minimum wage job might be the wake up call you want to give her and might make her decide to finish her education.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:42

PrinceHaz · 27/03/2023 09:29

My daughter has good GCSEs but has dropped out of college. Her room is a pit and she’s not doing anything to occupy herself apart from seeing boyfriend and talking to him into the night.
For context, she has a recent autism diagnosis. College compared to school has been different, too much travel, sensory overload and too much freedom. We have applied to a more local college and have just got her an EHCP so we are hoping that she’ll have a fresh start in September.
I’d recommend trying to get support from Careers Connect. They are helping my daughter with CV writing, getting her voluntary work (if she’ll do it) and have got her and me a free gym pass. I’d also recommend looking into whether your daughter is neurodiverse - ADHD or ADD or autistic. What you describe is very typical for neurodiverse young people.

She's bubbly and outgoing though, a social butterfly. Does that fit into ADD or autism?

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DixonD · 27/03/2023 09:42

DeeplyMovingExperience · 27/03/2023 09:35

I think clearing out her room and bathroom, giving everything a thorough clean and a bit of Marie Kondo or whatever, would be helpful for her. It sounds like she's struggling on several levels, and giving her a clean and organised environment might help her mentally.

This can be a very difficult and frightening age - the world can seem scary and overwhelming.

It's quite possible that she needs a lot of support through this time.

I agree with this - the change from schoolchild to adult is really tough. One minute they’re being “looked after” and then suddenly, expected to make all these decisions about their education and future.

I think she needs a bit of help rather than nagging.

crumpet · 27/03/2023 09:43

50 + careers talks in the last 8-10 years is a huge number!!!! It feels as if there has been a lot of pressure on her to succeed/decide what she wants to do, and perhaps is crumbling under the weight of feeling that after A levels she needs to know exactly what she is going to do for the rest of her life.

I had zero idea what I wanted to do. My dd is in her second year at Uni and also has zero idea. There is plenty of time to land on a career direction. Perhaps - and if A levels are this year then it might be too late- the focus can be just on getting through the next few months, and then a year or two out, before deciding on next steps.

at the end of the day A levels can be retaken.

crumpet · 27/03/2023 09:46

Did she move to the grammar because she wanted to be there or would she have preferred to stay at her old school?

Mirabai · 27/03/2023 09:46

Until you have evidence of something untoward, I would take things at face value for the moment.

She doesn’t want to go to school ok, then she gets a job. But you can’t bankroll her if she’s not in education. So until she gets a job there’s no cash.

A dose of the real world may make her rethink the benefits of school.

MahMahMahMahCorona · 27/03/2023 09:49

She sounds completely overwhelmed.

What is your house situation? Are you joint owners with your daughter's step father? How long have you been together and how long have you been arguing with him?

2ndGenerationHomeEducator · 27/03/2023 09:50

She wants a flat?
Great, she's old enough to sign the lease! She just needs to get a job, then she can look into what studio flats/ bedsits are available. Unless she'd prefer to finish college and go live independently at uni? I think some do have little studios and some rooms in a flat etc. She should look into the options, tell her to get back to you when she has an action plan.

No more, 'well I can't afford it'. You need to stop humouring it as an option. Because she does think if she keeps going on about it you'll find the money.

Next time, re-frame it for her to think about how she should go about it.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:51

crumpet · 27/03/2023 09:43

50 + careers talks in the last 8-10 years is a huge number!!!! It feels as if there has been a lot of pressure on her to succeed/decide what she wants to do, and perhaps is crumbling under the weight of feeling that after A levels she needs to know exactly what she is going to do for the rest of her life.

I had zero idea what I wanted to do. My dd is in her second year at Uni and also has zero idea. There is plenty of time to land on a career direction. Perhaps - and if A levels are this year then it might be too late- the focus can be just on getting through the next few months, and then a year or two out, before deciding on next steps.

at the end of the day A levels can be retaken.

Thanks to everyone for the great advice.

Normally during the summer we would go to 3/4 events then usually something during half terms etc. Usually they would be activities too, like coding camp or a music workshop.

It was more about: these are all the things in the world, what sounds interesting to you?

I think the focus on her mental health is correct.

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PastaLaVistaBabee · 27/03/2023 09:51

Oh gosh, this sounds so stressful for you all.

I'd take her away for a weekend to a spa or somewhere and explain that now she is 18 you need to help her move towards independence, so she has some choices..

  1. Stay at home with you paying her food, bills etc ... on the condition she finishes school which includes attending everyday.
  1. She finds a job and from June 1st will need to start paying you rent.
  1. She finds a job and by June 1st moves out.
  1. She comes up with another plan, but it must not involve doing nothing and living with you rent free.

I would also discuss with her again about what might be troubling her? Let her know she can tell you anything no matter how bad - drugs, only fans, pregnancy, abuse, whatever - you love her and want to support her.

potniatheron · 27/03/2023 09:54

"Since she was in primary school we've gone to like 50 different 'career talk' things. (Not arranged by school, just things I've found, like a charity called Stemettes) Scientists, astronauts, artists. All sorts. To get an idea of what sort of thing she might enjoy when she finishes school."

Not being funny but...this sounds like a tremendous amount of pressure on her. In a world where teen girls are already under a huge amount of mental and emotional pressure from social media.

if I was 18, not sure about my future path in life, and was told that astronauts are the bar I have to live up to, I'd probably drop out too.

Also it sounds like you're quite a financially privileged family so she doesn't necessarily have the impetus that she NEEDS to get out and earn money.

I'd stop the weekends out first off. That reeks of ecstacy binges (or whatever The Youth take these days) in clubs and will further sap her energy. I'd stop any pocket money she might get and make clear she has to be in FT education or in a job.

Lack of money will soon sort her out. It did wonders for me.

tothelefttotheleft · 27/03/2023 09:57

Has she done any coursework needed to pass her exams? If she hasn't been in for ages is it even possible for her to pass these exams now?

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:58

crumpet · 27/03/2023 09:46

Did she move to the grammar because she wanted to be there or would she have preferred to stay at her old school?

She picked it.

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