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Child has dropped out of grammar school and I'm panicking

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:21

DD 18 stopped going to school at the beginning of this year, she's meant to be writing A levels. She got good GCSEs moved to a grammar school during the pandemic. No bullying as far as we are aware. She is very outgoing and sociable and is still bubbly on the phone to her friends.

School have been round to the house. All sorts of meetings. She just says, 'I'll try to do better' then goes right back to what it was before.

She takes antidepressants but won't see a therapist. She says 'there aren't any'. We have Bupa. I called and they said since she's over 18 she has to do it herself but she won't.

She refuses to do chores. Her room is disgusting. You have to climb over piles of clothes. I go in there to get plates once they have run out in the house. She has a bathroom to herself and it's a state too. Never cleaned and I'm not doing it. (School didn't see her room, only downstairs which is normal)

She stays in bed all day, is up all night on the phone. She goes out on weekends with her friends and comes back on Monday.

We've stopped pocket money, stopped driving lessons. She doesn't care.

I've explained all her friends will finish school and be doing things and she'll get left behind. If she decides A levels are not for her then she needs to get a job or an apprenticeship. Since she was in primary school we've gone to like 50 different 'career talk' things. (Not arranged by school, just things I've found, like a charity called Stemettes) Scientists, astronauts, artists. All sorts. To get an idea of what sort of thing she might enjoy when she finishes school.

Today I said if she just goes to school from today to the end of the year I'll pay for her to travel regardless of grades. Just to go to school. She's still in bed. Offer off the table.

She said what she wants is for us to rent her a studio apartment and then she'll go to school. I said 1. We can't afford that, 2. That's why people go to school, get qualifications so they can do that for themselves.

It's just three of us here and her step father and I have rows. I said if she wants to go and live with a school friend for a few months we will pay for her expenses there for the 3 months until school ends. She says she wants her own flat.

I'm at my wit's end. My mum came over to speak to her from another city a few months ago. No change.

Her biological dad is a deadbeat who moved back abroad when she was in nursery. He has paid nothing and has little contact with her and has a new family, including a stepdaughter her age and two new babies. I imagine that's upsetting to her as he's on social media playing happy families.

I don't know what to do.

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Nopinnogin · 27/03/2023 10:01

Depression or drugs or both is my guess. The mess, the lack of caring etc all suggest depression. Also, having friends and seeming to be cheerful is often a mask. She needs support, not to ferl like she is a problem. You sound like a great parent who has done her best to support your daughter. I think at this point, counselling would be an urgent priority.

Catspyjamas17 · 27/03/2023 10:01

The most important thing now is her wellbeing. Let her do nothing for a bit and get bored, take all the pressure off. Try and encourage her to see the GP, perhaps some anti-depressants would help. Also has she ever been assessed for ADHD or autism? When she feels a little better then perhaps a part time job would be good for her or some volunteering. She can do A-levels or further qualifications when she feels up to it.

Chias · 27/03/2023 10:01

It sounds like she is having some kind of mental health crisis. It must be incredibly difficult for you all, but the pressure to be like a normal 18yr old is probably making it harder for her. I would continue to encourage her to see a professional therapist. I wouldn’t mention careers for a while. If she can’t make it to school, she won’t be able to cope with a job.

Ignore the tough love comments on here. She is already taking antidepressants so her mental health is clearly an issue. You wouldn’t tell someone with a broken leg to get off their arse and run a marathon. Lower your expectations and go for tiny goals. It may mean that she can’t do school at the moment but there are plenty of options if/ when she feels ready including access courses at university etc.

whatchagonnado · 27/03/2023 10:04

It sounds like she's shut down completely.
I would back off completely. If you can get in the headspace that it's not the end of the world if she doesn't sit her A Levels this summer and she might need to defer a year, then you will give her the space to pick herself up and out of this.

Or - I would honestly try and find a studio flat for 6 months and find a way to fund it (a loan to her?) and just offer support when she needs it. It sounds like she wants space to get her head straight

MelsMoneyTree · 27/03/2023 10:05

Have your arguments with your partner ever tipped into violence or felt as though they could? Maybe she feels if she's at home she can protect you. But that isn't something she can vocalise to you or school.
I would dial back expectations. All the career talks are excessive and it may be the grammar hasn't been what she was expecting either. Some have incredibly high expectations and lots of pupils on anti-depressants and anxiety medication. Maybe saying she can have 6 months out then go to college for A levels (if she wants to go down that path) would give everyone some breathing space.

Catspyjamas17 · 27/03/2023 10:06

Also try the group Not Fine in School on Facebook. Really helpful and supportive group. At least at 18 you won't be faced with fines for not attending school, as many parents of younger kids/teenagers whose needs are not being met at school and/or who are having mental and physical health issues find themselves facing that additional stress, a huge one.

Dodgeitornot · 27/03/2023 10:08

Have you looked into ADD maybe? She sounds completely burned out and reminds me of me at her age. I was quite academic, ended up dropping out during my final year, completely overwhelmed by the prospect of exams. I went on ADHD meds and was like a new person.

Crumpetdisappointment · 27/03/2023 10:12

she will get through it op
see if she will get help from psychiatric services, a phone call probably,
medication
help her tidy her room.

Crumpetdisappointment · 27/03/2023 10:13

oh she is on medication
?
does it need tweeking?

TitInATrance · 27/03/2023 10:16

My DD was like this many years ago, but also had a very part-time job in fast food. She moved out, worked full-time on minimum wage and I subsidised her rent for a couple of years. Never took her A levels and struggled to keep her various homes in order.

She gradually worked her way up and now has a good job, family, secure rental and a diagnosis of ADHD.

London22 · 27/03/2023 10:19

My 18 year old son went through this. Just not bothered about anything, room a hazardous mess and just seemed like he could care less. But he was sociable with his friends. My son has never caused me major concerns, only he can be lazy at times.

I went through all the panicked train of thoughts like the OP i.e..drugs, depression etc. And the general frustration you feel when you're watching your child just waste away.

But I also gave my son an ultimatum he either changed his behaviour and mindset to start taking his life more seriously or he would have to live elsewhere. The elsewhere being my mother's home (15 mins away) and who is a force to be reckoned with. It may not have been the right thing to do, but it was needed.

Sadly we had a recent bereavement in our immediate family, that's still very raw and painful. But my son was like this before the bereavement, but it didn't help.

However now he is doing his chef's apprenticeship and making money. It's triggered a change in him. I think him making his own money and being around other working people has caused a shift in his mindset.

To the OP I wouldn't rent your daughter a flat, as she's expecting too much and she's doing little in return.

I think the unhappy marriage might be causing a tension in the air and it's indirectly impacting on her. These things do, but we rarely think they impact on our children to a full extent.

CanINapNow · 27/03/2023 10:20

Where are you based OP? Your local council may have a youth connextions type service that can support her. Let me know your area and I can check. They all have different names now so tricky to find! These services see so many young people like her and will be able to advise and support you both.

HappinesDependsOnYou · 27/03/2023 10:21

It sounds like she is bit lost and struggling with her mental health. I know school is a big deal but she needs to put her mental health first. Can you switch tactics and try saying that clearly something is going on and if she needs a breather from career goals/school that's OK. Her mental and physical health come first but you need some insight to help her and can she share a little of what she is feeling with you? Some talks on mental wellbeing and how we have some poor mental health times and good mental health times the same as physical health might help

OnedayIwillfeelfree · 27/03/2023 10:22

Do not do any laundry for her, if she wants a flat then she will need to learn these things. Take her off the family phone plan and change the Wi-Fi password. Refuse to give her any money. Don’t be offering her ‘Travel’ in reward for behaving like a normal human being. Just take away things she is obviously taking for granted.

Snoken · 27/03/2023 10:22

Could she maybe just take one A-level exam/subject this year and try and get the others done in a years time? It sounds like she is in a bit of a pressure cooker environment where there has been huge focus on her future career for many years and now that she is coming close to getting out there and having to make decisions about her future it's all just too much for her. You need to just step back completely, don't pressure or try and blackmail her to go to school just focus on what she thinks she is capable of at this moment. Remember that if it takes her an extra year or two to get through school it's not a big deal.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 10:22

To pp who said we seem financially well off - I'm not sure how you got there. She has her own bathroom because we are in a 3 bed semi. She uses the main bathroom and we use the en suite. Bupa is through work.

To answer another pp - DH and I are both on the property. We got on the property ladder 4 years ago. We are mid 40s.

I've said to her if it's drugs, pregnancy/abortion anything she can tell me and we can figure it out.

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ThreeLocusts · 27/03/2023 10:23

So sorry OP. My 13 year old is in a similar place, on antidepressants, patchy school attendance, listless, self-isolating.

Things are getting better (sloooowly) after a 12 week stay in a therapeutic centrum and with the help of three therapists (music, ergo, talking).

Keep badgering, offering, beg and bribe for her to find a therapist she can talk to.

Also, It's hard to admit but a tense home environment was a big factor in our case. Can you and your partner get counselling? Arrange for DD to stay with a friend for a bit? Do something to break the current dynamic?

All the best Flowers

CalistoNoSolo · 27/03/2023 10:24

My first move would be to find out exactly how she is funding herself because no way are her friends constantly paying for her all weekend every weekend. Secondly I would restrict her phone usage. Limit her data plan and switch WiFi off at night. Thirdly, lay off the career talks but tell her, with timescale, that if she's not studying she's working and so she needs a job. I wouldn't even entertain a discussion about paying for her to live anywhere else, unless your husband is a jerk to her. Also, no food in room ever, dirty clothes I don't care about. Dirty plates is rank and not to be tolerated.

musicforthesoul · 27/03/2023 10:24

You aren't going to be able to keep rows with your partner away from an 18 year old and it will be making the house very uncomfortable to her so I sympathise with the desire to move out, doesn't mean you should be funding a studio flat though.

If she's amenable to the plan I'd help her sort her room out. It could easily have gotten to the completely overwhelming stage where it feels like far to big a job to sort out. It won't fix the underlying issue but with make the environment nicer which should hopefully help a bit.

As you can't force anything on the medical side then I'd basically ignore it as far as conversations with her go right now. Say you think she should talk to a GP and you'll support her immediately if she does but as she's refusing and saying she's fine then you'll take her at her word she's medically ok and just choosing to do nothing. That's not acceptable for a young adult with no issues so she needs to either go back to school/education or find a job to help support herself.

If she doesn't think she can do that and she needs lots of time to do nothing while you support her she needs to speak to the GP. She doesn't get to have it both ways.

CalistoNoSolo · 27/03/2023 10:27

Tbh, if its drugs/pregnancy/abortion she needs to talk about/help with then you've probably missed the boat with her. That's the kind of relationship you build from the moment your child is born, not when they start struggling.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 10:28

Thank you for all the replies. I will have a chance to respond in more detail later in the day.

I felt like we are not putting pressure on her. She was doing an instrument for 3 years but when she dropped it we didn't push. I see so many tiger mum types and we are not that. The careers talks were more 'taster sessions' meant to be interesting to kids like 'a day as an archaeologist'.

I don't think she fears violence with DH. It's mainly the sniping and rows of two people who clearly don't like each other.

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 10:30

CalistoNoSolo · 27/03/2023 10:27

Tbh, if its drugs/pregnancy/abortion she needs to talk about/help with then you've probably missed the boat with her. That's the kind of relationship you build from the moment your child is born, not when they start struggling.

I've been frank with her from childhood.

I'm just saying I specifically said that if it is any of those things causing her to drop out we can talk about it.

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Moopyhereagain · 27/03/2023 10:31

My youngest son has been the same, it’s been really hard. His room is unhygienic and I’ve just had to stop going in. He’s pretty much dropped out of college after getting really good GCSEs. But we do have a chink of light now- he’s taking anti depressants which are really helping. He’s got a local job one day a week which I’m so pleased about and has an interview for an apprenticeship in a couple of weeks. I’ve had to let go of all academic aspirations I might have had for him and recognise he’s got time on his side. And take all pressure off, even to keep his space clean ( he also has his own minging bathroom and defaults to in bed literally all day)
mix of pandemic, his father dying , depression both reactive and inherited and a load of other stuff. I realise this is my story not yours - but sharing to say it’s hard, but it will change - there is little you can do to help. He’s been using Better Help counselling online as well - I’m paying and it’s ££ but seems to be working. Took months to get him to agree to this though. I think this age group is very very badly affected by the pandemic

AuntiePhoenixClaw · 27/03/2023 10:32

She has had far too much pressure on her to succeed. I say this as someone with a cultural background that means many ascribe to tiger parenting, my brother and his wife did full on tiger parenting. It can backfire in a spectacular way especially if her friends do not have this kind of parenting.

She is also suffering because of you arguing with her stepfather. My best friend at school had a stepfather who had a shouty relationship with her Mother. He died when she was 13 and I remember my friend being really happy because the shouting stopped.

She needs a chance to recover her MH and you need to sort out your relationship and stop the arguing.

Sameiam · 27/03/2023 10:33

Are you sure it’s friends she’s going out with all weekend and she’s not just a sugar baby? Especially if she’s spending the nights somewhere unknown.

Probably unlikely if her room and personal hygiene is a state, but if she’s going out dressed nicely then who knows. Only fans definitely won’t be off the table either even if it’s messy. Easy enough to shove the stuff to one side. Not quite the same, but I was super depressed around that age and my room was a pit and I was still streaming video games with camera on fine. I literally just kicked things out the way to make immediate background alright.

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