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Child has dropped out of grammar school and I'm panicking

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 09:21

DD 18 stopped going to school at the beginning of this year, she's meant to be writing A levels. She got good GCSEs moved to a grammar school during the pandemic. No bullying as far as we are aware. She is very outgoing and sociable and is still bubbly on the phone to her friends.

School have been round to the house. All sorts of meetings. She just says, 'I'll try to do better' then goes right back to what it was before.

She takes antidepressants but won't see a therapist. She says 'there aren't any'. We have Bupa. I called and they said since she's over 18 she has to do it herself but she won't.

She refuses to do chores. Her room is disgusting. You have to climb over piles of clothes. I go in there to get plates once they have run out in the house. She has a bathroom to herself and it's a state too. Never cleaned and I'm not doing it. (School didn't see her room, only downstairs which is normal)

She stays in bed all day, is up all night on the phone. She goes out on weekends with her friends and comes back on Monday.

We've stopped pocket money, stopped driving lessons. She doesn't care.

I've explained all her friends will finish school and be doing things and she'll get left behind. If she decides A levels are not for her then she needs to get a job or an apprenticeship. Since she was in primary school we've gone to like 50 different 'career talk' things. (Not arranged by school, just things I've found, like a charity called Stemettes) Scientists, astronauts, artists. All sorts. To get an idea of what sort of thing she might enjoy when she finishes school.

Today I said if she just goes to school from today to the end of the year I'll pay for her to travel regardless of grades. Just to go to school. She's still in bed. Offer off the table.

She said what she wants is for us to rent her a studio apartment and then she'll go to school. I said 1. We can't afford that, 2. That's why people go to school, get qualifications so they can do that for themselves.

It's just three of us here and her step father and I have rows. I said if she wants to go and live with a school friend for a few months we will pay for her expenses there for the 3 months until school ends. She says she wants her own flat.

I'm at my wit's end. My mum came over to speak to her from another city a few months ago. No change.

Her biological dad is a deadbeat who moved back abroad when she was in nursery. He has paid nothing and has little contact with her and has a new family, including a stepdaughter her age and two new babies. I imagine that's upsetting to her as he's on social media playing happy families.

I don't know what to do.

OP posts:
Spkat · 27/03/2023 15:57

She sounds overwhelmed. It's been a difficult time for teenagers.

Enfys1982 · 27/03/2023 16:15

@Liorae when was that then? 1975?🙄 Things are different now. Kids are younger for longer, mainly down to parenting if we are going to be totally honest. Not to mention we are in a cost of living crisis when even young people ten years older than the OP’s DD and who work full time can’t afford to rent a property.

Sugarmicetails · 27/03/2023 16:18

OP - she sounds really overwhelmed and ‘stuck’

I’d start by tidying the bedroom - she can’t stay in there it will be making her feel worse. Give her a time and date and tell her you’re coming in to help.

then I’d try and take her on holiday - just the two of you of possible. Spend lots of time together and just see what you can get out of her, no pushing questions no ultimatums.

Peterpiperpickedapeckof · 27/03/2023 16:45

If the pandemic gave her an idea that she could drop out of life, then I would turn off the WiFi, disconnect the landline and cut off her phone. It’s only an option to stay in bed like this and opt out of life with mobile phones / the internet. If she carries on doing it because she is reading and writing, at least it’s more intellectually rewarding for her. I honestly don’t see why you should be providing this for a child who screams at you when you try to clean up her room. It’s not ok.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 16:48

@IaIamdobby63

A pp said she might be doing onlyfans, even with a messy room by angling the cameras away from mess. The only place without mess would be the ceiling.

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 16:51

@PPeterpiperpickedapeckof

DH works from home, often into the evening. So we could probably turn off WIFI and landline from 9pm to 7 am or something like that but not all day.

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 16:55

Oh, and @Iamdobby63 I don't know who she goes with, but it is not every weekend. I'd say 3 out of 4.

On Saturday she went out through the back garden so that the ring doorbell wouldn't go off. I'd said not to go.

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ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 17:00

I really thought that people with autism couldn't be bubbly social butterflies, which is why I hadn't considered it.

She lies a lot, though, which I thought people with autism didn't do. And she helps herself to things of mine, like expensive perfume, but I've never noticed money missing. I thought, again that's something people on the spectrum don't do. She understands it is wrong, but just doesn't care.

I will read up on it.

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Iamdobby63 · 27/03/2023 17:07

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 16:48

@IaIamdobby63

A pp said she might be doing onlyfans, even with a messy room by angling the cameras away from mess. The only place without mess would be the ceiling.

Ah I see. I would think that if she was doing that then she could afford her own studio flat. Does she seem like she has more money than she should have?

Hankunamatata · 27/03/2023 17:10

I completely messed my A levels up after good gcses. Partied, didn't attend, did bare minimum and fell flat on my face.
Tell her to leave school and go and get a job. You need to let her fail

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 17:30

Iamdobby63 · 27/03/2023 17:07

Ah I see. I would think that if she was doing that then she could afford her own studio flat. Does she seem like she has more money than she should have?

Yes, I wouldn't be able to afford to go out partying like that. She says she's saved birthday money but I don't think it could cover everything.

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Iamdobby63 · 27/03/2023 17:33

To be honest Autism or ADHD isn’t jumping out at me, if anything I’m veering towards more BPD or Bipolar especially with the tantrums and lying. But obviously I’m not an expert.

As she is 18 there is little you can do, it is up to her. As I said previously I would take a massive step back. Provide food and necessities, wash her clothes when she brings them down and lock away your makeup, perfume etc.

Iamdobby63 · 27/03/2023 17:36

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 17:30

Yes, I wouldn't be able to afford to go out partying like that. She says she's saved birthday money but I don't think it could cover everything.

Does she party or does she just go round her friends. She seems very secretive about where she’s going. Any other signs, ordering clothes etc?

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 18:43

Iamdobby63 · 27/03/2023 17:36

Does she party or does she just go round her friends. She seems very secretive about where she’s going. Any other signs, ordering clothes etc?

She has shit loads of clothes but she says she orders them from sites where it's like £2 for a t shirt.

She rarely says where she's going. All her friends are turning 18, so it's always 'so and so's 18th' every other week.

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Fretfulagain · 27/03/2023 19:00

I do think you need a careful approach to find out what is going on with her. Tough love may work for some people in some circumstances but be a disaster with at other times or with other people.

And to state the bleedin' obvious, you cant control her so surely when she is sneaking out when you've asked (or told?)m her not to, it's time to change your approach.

You're OP said 'I don't know what to do' but a good start might be having an honest conversation with her about how you are feeling and how worried you are so together you can build some honesty, trust and support back up.

Is there any evidence that she's on Only Fans or doing similar? Or is it your worst dread? Reflect on what you are anxious about and consider how that might be impacting her (as well as the atmosphere in the house if her mother and step-dad aren't getting on.) Maybe really try to recall being a teenager yourself and put yourself in her place - how does all of this look to her?

I may be reading too much into it but your thread title 'child has dropped out of grammar school and I'm panicking'. Your adult daughter has decided to stop attending sixth form and you're panicking. Why?

(look, trust me, I know why but if you were asked that question in a safe space what would your deepest darkest self answer? start there and remember she is a person with a deepest darkest self full of fear as well - be compassionate).

WalkingOnTheCracks · 27/03/2023 19:06

I think that 'tough love' in most cases is a euphemism for 'parental laziness in the face of a complex problem'.

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 19:10

@Fretfulagain
No evidence of only fans/sugar daddy. Only wondering how she's funding the partying when we've cut her off (no spending money & lifts).

We've had a serious talk. I even cried. I said I just want her to have a happy life and to set herself up for the future. Not even A levels. Anything.

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Godlovesall26 · 27/03/2023 19:15

@ThatFraggle Right now, honestly the first thing I would worry about is where she gets the weekend money. Really insist on how she’s financing that, you seem really good with no judgment from you.
I’d honestly even give her some weekend pocket money back if she tells you she needs it and maybe in exchange for receipts of drinks, supermarket alcohol etc.

Some things can be re done (exams), some things, like however she may be financing these weekends could turn a temporary blip into a lifelong trauma.
Realistically, you’re not going to stop her going out. It doesn’t have to be a long term thing of course, but for now, that’s what jumps out to me as the immediate safety priority. (Yes, it could be seen as pandering to her etc, it could also be the least worst option giving you at least a bit more time to figure out what’s happening)

Godlovesall26 · 27/03/2023 19:16

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 19:10

@Fretfulagain
No evidence of only fans/sugar daddy. Only wondering how she's funding the partying when we've cut her off (no spending money & lifts).

We've had a serious talk. I even cried. I said I just want her to have a happy life and to set herself up for the future. Not even A levels. Anything.

What did she reply ?
(Thats a really lovely thing to say to her, not all parents would)

Iamdobby63 · 27/03/2023 19:27

OP, I meant to say earlier that I am sorry you are going through this, I know it’s very stressful and upsetting. I’m also sorry you are not happy in your relationship, I bet all this doesn’t help.

It’s curious where she’s getting money from, could simply have a bf who is generous, at least it doesn’t appear to be lavish spending anyway.

OhcantthInkofaname · 27/03/2023 19:41

I'd say it's time for tough love. Remove her phone from the phone plan. Simply tell her if she wants a studio apartment she's going to have to get a job and rent it herself.

Caplin · 27/03/2023 19:56

Both my brother and sister are ASC. My sister couldn’t lie if her life depended on it….my brother w couldn’t tell the truth if his life depended on it! So much so he convinced himself! He also had addiction issues and self harmed.

there is no set rule on autism, people present differently, behave differently. I’m not saying that is the issue, but the hiding, the messiness, the tantrums at home, the oppositional defiance (look it up), all ring bells for me.

FancyFran · 27/03/2023 19:58

Op I have a 20 Yr DD. Her year 13 was ruined by covid. She didn't take her final exams. I believe my DD is Neuro Diverse.
She is very sociable and has lots of friends. However she is super tidy so I don't have the mess pit problem. At the end of yr13 she was beside herself. Self harming, staying in bed all day, depressed etc. I thought I would lose her. Not allowing her to sit her exams had a massive impact on her. The school did it to protect their results!
However she is now in her first year at uni and top of her class.
How did we do it?
I gave her a year off, it was called a year of kindness. I asked that she did the cleaning, a bit of shopping, walked the dog and I paid her a small allowance. She was to be kind to us and to herself. She is medicated for anxiety and she had a few counselling sessions. I stopped telling her what she was going to do work wise and I talked to her. I also gave up drinking which had been my support tool for me. It wasn't helping her as I was unavailable. It took me a year to see her recover. I worked but a lot from home. Sometimes she helped me with paid tasks.
I doubt very much your daughter is a sex worker. I suspect if she is out all weekend she is avoiding your husband. If you don't like him the chances are she doesn't. Start looking to leave. An unhappy relationship is not setting a good example. You work and have equity in the house. Look at your options.
Your daughter can do a foundation degree and that takes the place of three A levels. It might be difficult to walk through the door of either school. She will have lost face. I would also clean her room and get the crocks and washing out. Tell her she will get mice!
When my daughter use to screem at me I use to sing 'the sun will come out tomorrow' from Annie off key. She couldn't help laugh (after telling me to f off).
Good luck x

PrinceHaz · 27/03/2023 19:59

ThatFraggle · 27/03/2023 17:00

I really thought that people with autism couldn't be bubbly social butterflies, which is why I hadn't considered it.

She lies a lot, though, which I thought people with autism didn't do. And she helps herself to things of mine, like expensive perfume, but I've never noticed money missing. I thought, again that's something people on the spectrum don't do. She understands it is wrong, but just doesn't care.

I will read up on it.

People with the PDA (pathological demand avoidance) profile of autism are often bubbly, slightly immature, might be impulsive, can be very sociable and not without friends. Google it and see if you see the traits in your daughter.

My autistic daughter lies with impunity, by the way, and constantly steals my make up and my chocolate. She feels no guilt!

Re: over eighteen diagnosis, there are 2 initial routes. 1. She needs to See GP and ask for referral for assessment. If you want to be involved, she has to give permission for you to advocate for her. You can’t do it on her behalf without her. 2. private assessment with a private psychiatrist - much quicker but expensive. The Lorna Wing Centres in Kent and Essex are known to be excellent for girls’ assessment and diagnoses.

notthisagainforest · 27/03/2023 20:15

She wants you to pay for a flat ? Seriously she must be incredibly spoilt to even think that this is a possibility. Has she ever even had a job ? She's 18 you need to stop paying for anything. She needs to take responsibility for herself. If she won't go to school she needs to get a job. Time for tough love and it's the only thing that will work