People who identify as Trans Abled …

[TequilaSunrose]

We have all head about transgender, but recently I’ve heard more and more about transableism. These are healthy people who think they were born in the wrong body and that they should have been born into a disabled persons body.

Surely this is the line. People cannot identify as disabled. People cannot pretend to be disabled. This is the point we must say that this is now mental illness. You cannot just go around identifying as whatever you want.

AIBU to say this is ridiculous and must be stamped out and the fact it even has a name is insanity.

None if your fictional examples have anything to do with the OP, nice slippery slope argument though.

I would hazard a guess that the cases that are caused by a genuine neurological problem are quite rare. I think it's a psychosocial phenomenon in many cases. Like mass hysteria. Stuff like this is socially contagious.

@Bryzzle in a way I take your point - it should not really be my business/concern what other people (who are not in my immediate family) do with their bodies. It is their business/concern.

However, when (typically) these men truly believe they are women and insist others should think the same and try to share single sex spaces with me then it DOES become my business. It also becomes my business when they wish to compete with me in sports.

Did i hear that video right, the psych Dr told her to research it and then put the drops in her eye himself? And they didn't go to er for 30 mins? Sounds off to me and very much like he blinded her not poured drain cleaner in her own eyes?

As a disabled person I am appalled by this. What kind of sick vile creatures do this ? This is now beyond a joke…..try living my life on a daily basis, they would soon change their minds.

Who else doesn't require NHS treatment? What about anorexics. They "do it to themselves". Shall we not treat them? What someone injured in a failed suicide attempt?

Let's just not treat anyone with a mental illness, would that make you happy?

It seems there may actually be a neurological impairment underlying this.

To put it simply we all have an internal neurological ‘body image’. Phantom limb pain/feeling is common after amputations, as this internal body image still contains the missing limb.

In body integrity identity disorder brain scans have shown less grey matter in the area corresponding to the offending limb.

In a related delusional disorder, Somatoparaphrenia, the person denies ownership of a limb or an entire side of their body. This is similarly linked to damage or deficiency in related areas of the brain.

I have migraines which as a teen and young adult causes a sensory condition called Alice In Wonder Land Syndrome, which in my case amongst other symptoms temporarily made parts of my body feel much larger and others smaller than actually are. I was aware mine was a sensory illusion (though at the time I didn’t have a name for it), but definitely helps me understand how someone suffering from a permanent neurological impairment could feel a part of their body was alien to them. As ditalini said, the brain is indeed a wonderful and terrible thing!

The ignorance on this thread is eye opening. Didn’t realise Daily Mail readers had another place to hang out online! Before you spread this hateful rhetoric without a shred of personal experience, please look to meet and talk with at least one real life person who can give you some kind of personal insight. I’m astounded by the comments here

@SaysRelaaxxx You want people to meet with someone who believes they’re disabled when they’re not to gain personal insight? Why?

Is this the same as those people who actively seek to be disabled? Like that woman who poured bleach into her eyes because she wanted to be blind? She had perfectly healthy vision but she wanted to be blind, she used a cane and walked around with her eyes shut even before she became blind.

I believe this is an actually recognised mental disorder, I can't remember the name but I recall watching a documentary about it, another person chopped their own arm off because they felt they should have been an amputee and that their arm wasn't actually part of their body

I think that's the point, like gender dysphoria used to be recognised as a serious mental illness with trans surgery being a last resort when treatment failed but has now been normalised to the point you don't need intervention, so is this illness also being identified into so the logical conclusion is accepting them as disabled without needing to damage themselves to be accepted by society as what they believe they are. Like we do for isla bryson etc.

I do think both serious mh issues exist and also that people pretend / identify into illnesses. Did I'm not convinced definitely exists but generally same, some prob genuine and many want to be special.

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It genuinely is a slippery slope. If trans identities are to be taken seriously to the point that society must recognise them as fact where is the line? My examples, though mostly just to make a point of the ridiculous place this could go, are not all as fictional as you might think. Though the "transracial" guy has now detransitioned following his realisation he was being a totally racist idiot.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/stefonknee-wolschtt-transgender-father-leaves-family-in-toronto-to-start-new-life-as-a-sixyearold-girl-a6769051.html

www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-supports-white-instagram-star-who-identifies-korean-1605095

The line was crossed as soon as trans anything was accepted. You're born into your body, end of.

I have to admit that I haven’t yet met a trans disabled person in my very long life.
Can you tell me how to ‘meet and talk’ with a ‘real life person’ ( who suffers from this syndrome, obviously I have met lots of real life persons, in well, real life). They obviously don’t crop up that often, although who knows.

I knew two pioneers of male to female identity in the 1970’s , fairly unusually - now they seem to be everywhere; if I can manage to hang on for another decade perhaps I will have the privilege of being run over by a trans disabled person in a buggy in Tesco.

The lengths people will go to to get PIP

Wonder how many people in the developing world want to faff about with their identity?

Identifying outside of reality always seems to happen to those with the luxury of time, support and lack of external pressures. Almost like they've got nothing better to do 🧐

Difficult to be hung up on wanting to transition from an adult male to a one-legged, three year old hamster when you're back is against the wall just keeping alive day-to-day isn't it?

I would quite like to be trans-abled if possible and just identify out of the physical and mental health conditions that are a massive pain in the arse for me.

Sadly, I am not sure I can identify the symptoms away quite as easily as people seem to identify symptoms in.

(That said I have a lot of sympathy for those with significant dysmorphia of any sort, must be awful and would be great if there were better support)

As a woman who has disabilities, I'm weary. I'm not any more offended by transableism as I am transgenderism, it is a logical extension if you believe that people can be female gender in a male sexed body. Both are offensive to me. My sex and my disabilities are not yours to co-opt, and if you seriously believe you are something you are biologically not the solution is mental health treatment, not physical adjustment, and not forcing others to buy into your delusions.

I agree the thread won’t be around long, but why are you so sure paedophiles won’t use self ID to their own advantage? Some men are already using it to access women’s spaces.

ok so I have personal experience of this.

i have a long history of mental illness, thankfully now very well managed, but that wasn’t always the case.

During one episode of psychosis about 20yrs ago, I became convinced that I want real, that I had no bones, no skeleton, that I was just stuck inside a sort of person suit looking out through the eyeholes. Now, this was actually severe dissociation which tipped into psychosis, but of course being in it I was not aware of this - I fully believed I was correct and that the people around me didn’t believe me was very distressing to me.

It got to the point I was very very close to attempting to cut off my own arm, with an axe, to prove to everyone that there was nothing inside. To me, it was a completely logical thing to do and once I’d thought of it I was full of relief that finally I could prove that I was right.

Thankfully (and I am SO thankful) I was sectioned, medicated, and in time regained connection with my body and was no longer in a psychotic or dissociative state.

I am horrified to think that if that had happened today, and I had ventured online, I would have been encouraged to do it.

I didn’t need to cut off my arm - I needed urgent psychiatric care - and I am very glad I live in the UK and was able to receive it.

For those interested in Cotard's Harry Bingham's Fiona Griffiths series has the main character suffer from it (mostly cured). No idea how realistic but great books.

Rinoachicken 💐

I'm very glad you're doing well now. Look after yourself.

It is a form of mental illness/ I remember studying it many years ago as an undergrad. Deeply disturbing, and challenging ethical questions regarding the surgeons asked to maim physically healthy people

Yet it's now perfectly acceptable to cut off the healthy breasts off teenage girls or man's penis because they say so.
Completely unethical.

It's no different to gender identity. Only children are now actively encouraged, even at school, to dissociate from their body. Hailed as heroes, applauded for being brave etc.
It is not kind or healthy to pander to delusion or mental illness.

If anything, I'd say it's less ridiculous than transgenderism. I mean obviously it's abhorrent, but if you ARE going to chop a leg off or pour acid into your eyes, I guess you are now disabled. No matter how stupid that was. But if you chop your penis off you still don't become a woman and if you pour testosterone don't your throat you still don't become a man.