People who identify as Trans Abled …

[TequilaSunrose]

We have all head about transgender, but recently I’ve heard more and more about transableism. These are healthy people who think they were born in the wrong body and that they should have been born into a disabled persons body.

Surely this is the line. People cannot identify as disabled. People cannot pretend to be disabled. This is the point we must say that this is now mental illness. You cannot just go around identifying as whatever you want.

AIBU to say this is ridiculous and must be stamped out and the fact it even has a name is insanity.

Oh totally been a diagnosis for many many years, don't think it was called that previously either, if theybaont hurting you let them be

People who identify as disabled but aren't harm disabled people. Most of you think too many people claim benefits for disability as it is.

Wasn’t that in Southpark?

There is something inherently wrong in identifying as something you are clearly not. Bet dolphin girl does not eat the diet of a dolphin. Ridiculous that so much time, money effort is put in to this. Money would be better going to mh services.

The guy in that article cut his own arm off with a power tool my Christ!!

The line should clearly be that no-one should be able to identify as something biological/physical that they biologically/physically aren't. Once you say one type of self-ID is ok then all have to be ok, else that's grossly unfair. It seems breathtakingly arrogant that a man can declare he's a woman and no-one should be arguing but can also decide that a 40-year old isn't allowed to self ID as a 5-year old. (I don't agree with self ID in either case to be clear!)

At a loss with what to say to people like that!! It has to be a mental health issue. If they are not trying to scam the benefits system. Fed up of people believing the crap if you have these issues you get full benefits etc, Total bullxxxx!

Bet they then got treatment on the NHS for this self inflicted wound! Definitely not acceptable

I think there's a big difference between people who are genuinely mentally ill with psychosis and severe depression and these transabled people who appear to be suffering from some sort of neuroses. People in other parts of the world can't afford to be so neurotic about things, they're too busy just trying to survive. I'd hazard a guess that these situations only occur in western society. People need to get a grip, it's becoming seriously embarrassing.

How DARE you try and say that someone who has blinded themselves is the same as someone naturally blind

Different causes but I'd say someone who has intentionally blinded themselves is both blind and quite seriously mentally unwell and should definitely receive treatment for both conditions.

And I'm as gender-critical as they come. I mean if someone chopped their knob off, I wouldn't suggest they be left to bleed out.

We live in a time where being "the norm" - in the West, that is white, heterosexual, NT, no disabilities- is not interesting and is viewed as "privileged" - i.e., it makes you inherently a bad person. All teenagers are expected to be Greta Thunberg, otherwise they are wasting their time. Victimhood is not something to be transcended, something one can triumph over, but is something to be celebrated, wallowed in, and attracts kudos and social capital amongst peers that a "normal" uneventful life will never bring you. This is why today's insecure young is finding any way to make themselves "special" in some way. This is just another step on the transgender, trans-racial road to hell.

Yes, it is. It's serious self harm. Do you think people with anorexia or people who overdose should also be denied treatment ?

Well, it's the same as transgender in my eyes, and therefore should be accepted thr same way, including entitlement to disability benefits.
I don't agree with transgender or transabled, or anyone identifying as a tin opener etc. But we either completely stop this nonsense or completely get on board! Can't have it half-way

I'm assuming someone has come up with this to show what a mockery the trans stuff is. Like the bloke that went to court over his age. Publicity stunt?

attraction to the idea of being an amputee This article in the Atlantic from 2000 is interesting (and I think there might be a documentary on it too

The article details a rise in apotemnophilia"—an attraction to the idea of being an amputee," and the issues around providing surgery for this.
There are a lot of parallels to current 'trans' issues - the consideration of whether the body modification arises from a paraphilia and how this should be responded to, the rise in demand being led by communities developing on the then nascent internet. The gender specialist psychiatrist Russel Reid in was involved in promoting surgery for these individuals as analogous to providing body modification for individuals expressing a transgender identity. (Its worth noting Russel Reid was disgraced and found guilty of serious professional misconduct in 2007 for hurrying people into 'sex changes' with recommendations being made for treatment on inital appointments, without appropriate exploration, investigation and diagnosis)

Its very clear to see the injustice of and impact of able bodied people being able to claim a disabled identity, with or without modifying their otherwise healthy body to experience or simulate a functional impairment.

The ethics of converting a functioning body to one with impairment aside, its clear that these individuals put pressure on and compete for the limited resources available for disabled people in our society with those who have not had the luxury of choosing the condition they live with - and the general attitude to this is outrage at the injustice of the situation and the selfishness and entitlement of the apotemnophiles. It surprises me that more people cannot see how analogous this is to the issues of trans inclusion in single sexed spaces and resources.

Well, that was a complete linkage failure. Lets try again....

www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/304671/

You definitely have a point. People who are literally fighting for survival day in day out don’t have the navel gazing luxury of choosing which of the million genders they want to identify as or fussing about being called ‘they/them’. It’s mostly a lot of self indulgent nonsense by people who don’t feel special enough just to be ordinary. (I don’t mean genuinely mentally ill people) just the stuff and nonsense of the Sam Smiths of the world.

It's mental illness, not identity politics. There are people out there that think they are Jesus Christ, doesn't mean we are all going to have to put our Jesus status on our email sign offs.

I find the concept so utterly beyond offensive that I can’t articulate just how deeply awful it is

It's a logical extension of the whole identity nonsense. The correct response to 'I identify as' should be 'who gives a shit?'

You either are or you aren't, and that is something that can be objectively determined. But merely that someone identifies, aka thinks they are, something, who cares? It's a free country, you can think whatever you want in your head, but that's all the implications it should ever have - your own fantasy.

I suppose some people who feel alone see pictures of ill ppl being cared for by crowds of ppl. Then feel jealous or some thing and decide to make their life the same.

It is a form of mental illness/ I remember studying it many years ago as an undergrad. Deeply disturbing, and challenging ethical questions regarding the surgeons asked to maim physically healthy people.

This is it. Everyone is desperate to be oppressed, and not be labelled an oppressor.

I think that logic dictates that if you can identify as the opposite sex there is no reason why you should not be able to identify as anything else - disabled, younger/older, a different race or culture etc etc. At the moment the main impact of self-id has been on women and the only people really speaking up about it have been middle-aged women so no one has cared or listened and instead have attacked the women who have been raising concerns about the impact on women's rights and safeguarding of children. However, there may come a tipping point - people other than middle aged women just may be horrified if self-identification seeps into other 'identities'.

Nope, was studying this nearly 30 years ago!