People who identify as Trans Abled …

[TequilaSunrose]

We have all head about transgender, but recently I’ve heard more and more about transableism. These are healthy people who think they were born in the wrong body and that they should have been born into a disabled persons body.

Surely this is the line. People cannot identify as disabled. People cannot pretend to be disabled. This is the point we must say that this is now mental illness. You cannot just go around identifying as whatever you want.

AIBU to say this is ridiculous and must be stamped out and the fact it even has a name is insanity.

Sadly they are sick ppl who would be happy to chop bits off for them. People are strange.

All of this ‘identifying as’ shit needs to be treated as what it is - lunacy.

These people aren’t well and should not be indulged.

@MotherOfPuffling oh wow, there really is no hope then is there?!

This is just Munchausen’s.

Should people who smoke be treated by the NHS? How about those who are obese? Addicts?

Different illnesses can affect a persons weight. I don't agree with hospital staff reading the riot act to patients that do smoke, While they smell of smoke after standing smoking at the entrance.

I remember this was on an episode of casualty or something like that years ago. I think they did amputate the limb in the end.

But don't they keep going until they die from taking some thing to make them ill.

Don’t! My fear is that how this mental illness is treated could go very weird. Back when I studied it, the broad approach was to avoid surgery etc. unless the person was pretty much at the stage of taking a hacksaw to themselves. Focus was on therapy (talking, drugs etc.) Essentially it was seen as extreme self harm. Someone mentioned munchausens and it is a type. With this talk of people ‘self identifying’ as disabled though, will this mental illness now be pandered to? That… doesn’t feel like it would be a good idea…

Do you mean people who self-diagnose?

The person who gets around in a wheelchair is also an academic at a university, Her name is Chloe Jennings-White

Isn't some of the limb stuff linked to e.g. alien hand syndrome? That has a basis in neurology - can happen after certain epilepsy surgeries for example to feel your hand doesn't belong to you and have no control over its movements. Think it has a lot to do with the frontal lobe.

Could see that if you felt your arm or leg didn't belong to you... maybe a similar sort of issue - where it's less societal and more some sort of mental illness or something to do with the brain?

It's 'amazing' (awful) what brain damage can do, have a relative with frontal lobe damage who was utterly convinced her mother was dead, despite looking at her mother - and later insisted her daughter was a clone/imposter. Was utterly convinced in the latter to the extent her daughter couldn't be in the same room as her as was threatening violence.

It would make sense that certain types of neurological damage/psychiatric illness with a more neurological basis such as psychosis/schziophrenia could lead to feelings of thinking one ought to be disabled...

It is confusing though. Recently did fairly intensive training on mental illness by a person who was insistent mental illness did NOT exist as a neurological/biological thing in itself and that it was always a reaction to trauma or being somehow marginalisied in society, and to medicalise it was wrong, that the solution lay in solving all society's problems. That to me is bull, and a far more dangerous way of thinking. Mental illness very much does exist, and it is in no way always linked to some sort of trauma.

Like people willing to chop off penises you mean?

No different to this as to thinking you should/shouldn't have been born with an extra genital

It is all beyond human thinking

The fuck? Nope.

What a transparent excuse for a transphobic pile on. Why the flying fuck does anyone care what anyone else is doing to their own bodies?! Don't like it? Great, don't do it to yourself then. Jesus wept. Get a life.

@Bryzzle you think it’s ok that society approves you can cut your arm off with a chainsaw, pour bleach into your eyes or cut off your penis because of mental illness? What happened to looking after people?

I watched a documentary on this years and years ago. It was in America but I remember there was a woman in it who felt that she shouldn't have two legs. She lived in a flat and she had to live for a year or whatever in a wheelchair to see if she could cope before they would agree to the surgery to cut off her leg - funnily enough, the same way that gender non-conforming men used to have to live as a woman for a year etc before being granted gender reassignment surgery. (I don't know what the rules are now....)

I was horrified at the time that a surgeon would chop off a healthy leg just because the person identified as disabled.

The documentary was really disturbing. There were people who were doing all kinds of things to themselves to try and cause a traumatic injury that would allow the offending limb to be removed. It was accepted as a mental illness but some surgeons seem to agree that the only "treatment" would be to remove the limb. And yes, there are absolute parallels with trans surgery now - even though that's not a view that we're supposed to hold because feelings = reality....

Rabid.

Is this really much of a thing? Just googled it and there are a couple of articles, but years old.

Where have you heard about it? This sounds made up. There is no link.

Jesus may well be. You are also conveniently ignoring the societal and medical impact of the use of resources. Sure, if you want to buy yourself a wheelchair to get around in then go for it, although I bet they'd stop if they were dropped in a desert for a week or two. The self- indulgence of parts of Western society makes me very sad.

@Bryzzlemust be a man as resorted to ‘rabid’ = hysterical female as his only retort

I have moved from thinking on the trans debate let people identify as whatever as long as they don’t consider they actually are what they are not to thinking that identifying as something is massively offensive. White people who identified as black would not be tolerated, so why transgender stuff?

Once identity is delinked with anything physically verififiable and is subjective there really is nothing shocking about trans anything. I'm as much a man as I am a ten year old, a cat or chinese