AIBU?
Why do people get upset if I say that I don’t believe in love?
CantAskAnyoneElse · 18/03/2023 15:10
To be clear, I son’t start lecturing anyone, it’s just that quite often friend or family members ask me how come I never have a partner etc.
Usually I just shrug my shoulders and try move the topic, but few times I’ve said honestly that I just don’t believe love is an actual thing.
Once again, I don’t start speeches, just quick honest remark and move the topic.
Never said anything about anyone else’s partners/lack off…
And let me tell you!
This does NOT go well.
People are adamant I am wrong, sad I’ve ’given up hope’ (I haven’t, it just was never there), soon I’ll meet someone and change my mind (doubtfull) and how I can’t say something like that.
Why not?
I do not understand, at all.
Am I being unreasonable?
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ThreeblackCats · 21/03/2023 10:07
To answer your question, they get upset because you’re telling them you know better than they do! You don’t!
just because you’ve not experienced love doesn’t mean it’s not real.
I’ve never seen a plane or train crash, does that mean I can say “ I don’t believe in plane crashes”?
Plenty of people are in love and have loved each other for a long time. Just because you haven’t experienced love, doesn’t make it any less real.
Strugglingtodomybest · 21/03/2023 10:59
Flamintula · 20/03/2023 21:01
Defintely not! I just think there are probably more of us out there than care to admit it.
I wonder what we called it before love though. Duty? Obligation?
Strugglingtodomybest · 20/03/2023 11:58
@Flamintula are you the OP? Have you name changed?
Oh ok then, I was confused because you answered my reply to OP as if I had been talking to you.
Flamintula · 19/03/2023 19:22
Strugglingtodomybest · 19/03/2023 18:10
I think you're suffering from childhood emotional neglect.
^www.parentingforbrain.com/childhood-emotional-neglect/^
Why? I was very much loved as a child by family and extended family and I loved them in return. Except, if you'd asked me I wouldn't have been able to tell you what that felt like. I knew I loved then because every one loves their family. But what is that feeling, actually? Scared of losing them? Missing them? I didn't ever miss my parents when I left home. There are lots of people I don't want to lose, but I don't love them.
I think that your situation is very different to the OP's and I don't think that you have suffered childhood emotional neglect. Just to be clear😁
ILikeToSleepALot · 21/03/2023 11:20
For what it's worth I agree with the OP, I don't think love exists in reality as the selfless, unconditional exalted concept we've hyped up in society/culture. Romantic love is usually just sex drive/lust; after you get used to the person it can become a lifelong friendship, although the lust of course fades away after a while. Familial love comes from the instinct to protect one's own genes and survival, but there are many conditions attached. Many people don't love their own children anymore if said children choose the "wrong" partner/religion/profession or have the "wrong" sexual orientation etc.
OutsideLookingOut · 21/03/2023 11:35
ILikeToSleepALot · 21/03/2023 11:20
For what it's worth I agree with the OP, I don't think love exists in reality as the selfless, unconditional exalted concept we've hyped up in society/culture. Romantic love is usually just sex drive/lust; after you get used to the person it can become a lifelong friendship, although the lust of course fades away after a while. Familial love comes from the instinct to protect one's own genes and survival, but there are many conditions attached. Many people don't love their own children anymore if said children choose the "wrong" partner/religion/profession or have the "wrong" sexual orientation etc.
I can accept this but it just seems like pedantry - protecting your genes lust etc etc is what people mean by love really but love sounds nicer. So I think saying you don’t believe in love… does not really make sense.
aSofaNearYou · 21/03/2023 11:42
I can accept this but it just seems like pedantry - protecting your genes lust etc etc is what people mean by love really but love sounds nicer. So I think saying you don’t believe in love… does not really make sense.
I agree. I think some people are looking for love to be something really profound and beyond just our animal instincts conditioning us to feel a certain way, or it must not exist. But everything we do or feel ultimately comes from our animal instincts, love is no different.
CantAskAnyoneElse · 21/03/2023 11:47
beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 10:15
Well it's like saying to a gay person, I don't believe in homosexuality. Or saying to a doctor, I don't believe in modern medicine. Obviously people will take it as a comment on their own beliefs and behaviour.
Personally I don't find it an issue that OP doesn't believe in love as it reflects only on him. If I was in OP's life, I would get away from him ASAP. Not because of feeling judged, but feeling unsafe to be around someone missing a fundamental aspect of humanity.
Please stop, how many comments do you have to make about this ridiculous and irrational fear of yours?
Move on.
beastlyslumber · 21/03/2023 11:52
CantAskAnyoneElse · 21/03/2023 11:47
Please stop, how many comments do you have to make about this ridiculous and irrational fear of yours?
Move on.
beastlyslumber · 20/03/2023 10:15
Well it's like saying to a gay person, I don't believe in homosexuality. Or saying to a doctor, I don't believe in modern medicine. Obviously people will take it as a comment on their own beliefs and behaviour.
Personally I don't find it an issue that OP doesn't believe in love as it reflects only on him. If I was in OP's life, I would get away from him ASAP. Not because of feeling judged, but feeling unsafe to be around someone missing a fundamental aspect of humanity.
Excuse me? I was responding to other commenters/to the conversation. You were the one who asked the question in the first place - you shouldn't have done that if you didn't want answers.
I don't have any ridiculous or irrational fears. Just disagreeing with you is not ridiculous or irrational. You sound like a spoiled child.
Aphrathestorm · 21/03/2023 17:43
No, I didn’t ’feel’ loved by them, there was nothing there. They clearly only had a kid, because that’s what your supposed to do
Well this is emotional abuse. Childhood emotional abuse and neglect are very much correlated with difficulty in forming relationships in adulthood.
Love is something that is learned.
If op's never had loving role models it's no wonder she doesnt understand it.
People should lay off bullying someone who's experienced such childhood trauma.
You would need an awful lot of therapy to undo the harm done by your childhood, op. Sorry that's what you had.
ILikeToSleepALot · 21/03/2023 19:42
OutsideLookingOut · 21/03/2023 11:35
I can accept this but it just seems like pedantry - protecting your genes lust etc etc is what people mean by love really but love sounds nicer. So I think saying you don’t believe in love… does not really make sense.
ILikeToSleepALot · 21/03/2023 11:20
For what it's worth I agree with the OP, I don't think love exists in reality as the selfless, unconditional exalted concept we've hyped up in society/culture. Romantic love is usually just sex drive/lust; after you get used to the person it can become a lifelong friendship, although the lust of course fades away after a while. Familial love comes from the instinct to protect one's own genes and survival, but there are many conditions attached. Many people don't love their own children anymore if said children choose the "wrong" partner/religion/profession or have the "wrong" sexual orientation etc.
I don’t think this is what people mean when they say “love”, though. Culturally, "love" is a very exalted concept. Think about the Corinthians passage that is usually read at weddings: “Love is patient, love is kind, it is not self-seeking, it keeps no record of wrongs” etc. Such sentiment does not exist amongst human beings in real life, it is entirely fictional.
OutsideLookingOut · 22/03/2023 13:55
ILikeToSleepALot · 21/03/2023 19:42
I don’t think this is what people mean when they say “love”, though. Culturally, "love" is a very exalted concept. Think about the Corinthians passage that is usually read at weddings: “Love is patient, love is kind, it is not self-seeking, it keeps no record of wrongs” etc. Such sentiment does not exist amongst human beings in real life, it is entirely fictional.
OutsideLookingOut · 21/03/2023 11:35
I can accept this but it just seems like pedantry - protecting your genes lust etc etc is what people mean by love really but love sounds nicer. So I think saying you don’t believe in love… does not really make sense.
ILikeToSleepALot · 21/03/2023 11:20
For what it's worth I agree with the OP, I don't think love exists in reality as the selfless, unconditional exalted concept we've hyped up in society/culture. Romantic love is usually just sex drive/lust; after you get used to the person it can become a lifelong friendship, although the lust of course fades away after a while. Familial love comes from the instinct to protect one's own genes and survival, but there are many conditions attached. Many people don't love their own children anymore if said children choose the "wrong" partner/religion/profession or have the "wrong" sexual orientation etc.
That is a good point - but I don’t think everyone thinks that is the definition of love either. I think that does not come naturally perhaps but is something you work on. Which makes it more of a choice really in which case it can be real but it less innate.
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that many people say they love their parents but she despite not loving them took care of them thus showing love as defined in Corinthians 1. But to the people who think it is a feeling it is not love but duty.
There are people that risk their lives to save others daily when it is not their job or for their relatives but some parents believe since they think they would give their lives for their children it means they love them. Despite knowing we have a biological imperative to protect them.
So is love a feeling, a choice or a mix of both? I think not everyone defines it the same.
aSofaNearYou · 22/03/2023 14:14
I don’t think this is what people mean when they say “love”, though. Culturally, "love" is a very exalted concept. Think about the Corinthians passage that is usually read at weddings: “Love is patient, love is kind, it is not self-seeking, it keeps no record of wrongs” etc. Such sentiment does not exist amongst human beings in real life, it is entirely fictional.
There's a lot of pushing of selflessness in Christianity, that's what that definition comes from, there's nothing official about it.
When you look up the definition of love it just says "an intense feeling of deep affection". That's all there is to it really.
CantAskAnyoneElse · 22/03/2023 16:02
highdaysandholudays · 20/03/2023 23:21
OP to friend: Hi old chum how are you?
OP's friend: Hi I'm great. How are you? Met someone special yet?
OP: No I'm quite happy being single.
OP"s friend: Wow. I would have thought you'd be much happier in a romantic relationship? I have a romantic partner whom I love very much so my experience is obviously more real than yours.
OP - feeling friend is invalidating her happiness by judging her on her friends perception on her apparent failure to secure a romantic partner, responds with - my experience is that I don't believe romantic love is a concept that exists. My experience of being single brings me far greater happiness and joy than any experience of romantic love. I feel free and I am free.
OP writes a thread on Mumsnet about unprompted queries about why she is single and is told she is immature and her lived experience is invalidated by the likelihood she had a terrible childhood.
And scene.
That pretty much sums it up!
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