Schoolgirl kicked in head by boy in unisex toilets- is the idea of unisex unworkable?

[Xoxoxoxoxoxox]

A boy in a school toilets in Coventry has kicked in a door in in an attempt to photograph a 13 yr old girl and she has received head injuries.
When unisex toilets were introduced we were told they would be closely monitored but that is clearly ineffective and they are unsafe for girls.
Do you think they should be abolished?

Yabu Allow them
Yanbu Abolish them.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

[TinyTinks74]

@Xoxoxoxoxoxox

A boy in a school toilets in Coventry has kicked in a door in in an attempt to photograph a 13 yr old girl and she has received head injuries.
When unisex toilets were introduced we were told they would be closely monitored but that is clearly ineffective and they are unsafe for girls.
Do you think they should be abolished?

Yabu Allow them
Yanbu Abolish them.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

YANBU sorry only just worked out how to reply on threads (Twitter user previously). This girl ended up with a concussion he kicked the door that hard. I don't give a monkeys about unisex or inclusion or diversity; a girl or woman of any age should be afforded the privacy & dignity of a single sex space. People saying he'd have done it in the girls are either seriously ignorant, or woefully naive. Firstly there's no doubt this boy would've been egged on by his friends, male pack culture. Secondly had he even got near a single sex toilet there would've been a teacher or the other girls around to get a teacher to kick this little <bleep> out long before he got the balls & adrenaline together to physically kick a door in. They do not work.

[SammyScrounge]

@KalimbaMoon

Women and girls need single-sex facilities. Additional unisex facilities are fine if it's a loo in a self-contained room, floor-to-ceiling, with its own sink. I don't agree with unisex facilities being cubicles with gaps under and above the doors. What happened to this poor girl is simply horrific.

I wonder if the mother called the police. By the look of.the girl's injury this could be.classed as a serious assault.
What do boys want with such photos anyway? Is it a game to see how many you can get,? Do they post them on the Internet like trophies?
I'd have called the police and if the thug who did this wasn"t r,emoved from the school a daughter of mine would be going elsewhere. This girl should not be expected to share a school with this creep.

[brunettemic]

I can’t comment on whether that type of toilet should be abolished or not but the cause of the crime isn’t the same sex toilets, it’s the boy in question. He could very easily have just done that going into a girls toilet. I can remember incidents at school of boys going into the girls toilet.

[Helleofabore]

@brunettemic

I can’t comment on whether that type of toilet should be abolished or not but the cause of the crime isn’t the same sex toilets, it’s the boy in question. He could very easily have just done that going into a girls toilet. I can remember incidents at school of boys going into the girls toilet.

Sure.

But why would you make it even easier to do by introducing these types of toilets? At least with the same sex toilets there was a chance that that boy would have been seen first, or another girl could have called out to the girl in the toilet that there was a boy who had come in.

I find that people who attempt to minimise the issue as 'it is the boy's issue' don't want to acknowledge that these toilets have some substantial issues. And giving boys easy access to female victims is just one of them.

[GCAcademic]

@brunettemic

I can’t comment on whether that type of toilet should be abolished or not but the cause of the crime isn’t the same sex toilets, it’s the boy in question. He could very easily have just done that going into a girls toilet. I can remember incidents at school of boys going into the girls toilet.

For sure. Just like it's not guns that's the problem, it's the individuals who use them. Therefore guns should be freely available.

[Nanny0gg]

@ChestnutGrove

In the article the parents are saying the problem started after unisex toilets were introduced and that boys take photos and kick doors down which has broken the locks

That happens in my DGC school and the loos are single sex.

It's feral children and total lack of control by the staff and school management

[Mummyoflittledragon]

@Nanny0gg

That happens in my DGC school and the loos are single sex.

It's feral children and total lack of control by the staff and school management

That’s awful. But why make it easier? There’s another thread currently running about boys not being safe in men’s toilets and how they should use the women’s. I agree with comments on the thread that boys of 8/9/10 still going into the women’s is intimidating for girls of a similar or younger age and gives both boys and girls the impression boys are the priority, having a right to be in female only toilets.

[nilsmousehammer]

This is where third spaces would be helpful for more than one reason: parents able to take kids of the opposite sex in, but the root cause is the bloody awful behaviour of men. And as the schools issues are showing: the behaviour starts very, very young and who gets to let it all hang out and who gets to suck it up or just not use toilets is sorted on a binary, sex based basis.

It's male behaviour, entitlement and sexism that needs fixing. Not continuing to try to use females as human shields to mitigate harm to the males coming off worst in spaces with other males.

[PauliString]

@brunettemic

I can’t comment on whether that type of toilet should be abolished or not but the cause of the crime isn’t the same sex toilets, it’s the boy in question. He could very easily have just done that going into a girls toilet. I can remember incidents at school of boys going into the girls toilet.

What are the advantages to the girls of mixed sex toilets?

Given the extra risk, loss of privacy, and increase of piss on the seats and flooring, presumably there are some supposed advantages to this change to compensate?

[Titerama]

@GCAcademic

For sure. Just like it's not guns that's the problem, it's the individuals who use them. Therefore guns should be freely available.

That is an absurd comparison.

Unisex toilets aren’t a lethal weapon.

If you’re actually an academic we should worry for the quality of your arguments based on this example.

[SparklyBlackKitten]

This isn't about a unisex toilet
This is about a boy who is a fucking creep.

Single sex toilets wouldnt have stopped this kid. I remember growing up boys coming in the girls bathroom. (And vice versa). We just did soms silly stuff and not creepy things.
But just to say that unisex or single sex toilets isn't gonna make a difference

I do feel like there should also be single sex toilets as well as unisexes because of girls having their periods and other things

[fitzwilliamdarcy]

On the other thread running, I was told as someone who was assaulted by a boy in a female space at 8 years old, that I need to have more empathy for boys being in female spaces due to their risk of being assaulted. Most of the posters on that thread are telling those that think girls shouldn’t be pushed out of their own spaces have got issues.

You can see why we end up with situations like this.

[GCAcademic]

@Titerama

That is an absurd comparison.

Unisex toilets aren’t a lethal weapon.

If you’re actually an academic we should worry for the quality of your arguments based on this example.

You’re right, it’s not the same. It’s only women and girls at risk of being sexually assaulted or having their head gashed open. We don’t need to bother ourselves about that.

[nilsmousehammer]

@SparklyBlackKitten

This isn't about a unisex toilet
This is about a boy who is a fucking creep.

Single sex toilets wouldnt have stopped this kid. I remember growing up boys coming in the girls bathroom. (And vice versa). We just did soms silly stuff and not creepy things.
But just to say that unisex or single sex toilets isn't gonna make a difference

I do feel like there should also be single sex toilets as well as unisexes because of girls having their periods and other things

Do you lock your door when you go out? And your car?

Because that isn't about everyone in the world being a risk, it's about some people being fucking creeps.

It doesn't stop the really determined ones, but it helps. Swiss cheese gatekeeping, it's a thing.

The answer to the occasional boy with a serious problem is not to make his victim pool more accessible. Or to use girls as a resource for making boys' lives happier, demonstrating to those girls where we think they rank in comparison through an accident of biology.

[Titerama]

@GCAcademic

You’re right, it’s not the same. It’s only women and girls at risk of being sexually assaulted or having their head gashed open. We don’t need to bother ourselves about that.

What absolute nonsense - are you on glue?

Of course you don’t really believe that unisex toilets are in any way harmful or potentially harmful to the same degree that unlimited access to guns.

Its a ridiculous and indefensible thing to say, so now you’re posting nonsense to what… distract from the idiocy?

[GCAcademic]

@Titerama

What absolute nonsense - are you on glue?

Of course you don’t really believe that unisex toilets are in any way harmful or potentially harmful to the same degree that unlimited access to guns.

Its a ridiculous and indefensible thing to say, so now you’re posting nonsense to what… distract from the idiocy?

I can see that you struggle with comprehension. I’m sorry about that.

[Allthegoodnamesarechosen]

@Titerama

That is an absurd comparison.

Unisex toilets aren’t a lethal weapon.

If you’re actually an academic we should worry for the quality of your arguments based on this example.

They could easily have been a lethal weapon for the victim.A slightly different angle, a little more force and it’s cerebral haemorrhage time.

btw it’s a perfectly sensible example showing a logical fallacy.

[HipHipCimorene]

New regs now stipulate all new builds must have separate spaces for separate sexes with additional provision for unisex spaces and spaces where additional access may be required ( ie disabled etc )

The reason for this is exactly the type of incident that occurred in Coventry and the Equalities Act.

Schools that became all Woke and decided it was safe for children to share toilets were , quite frankly, barmy.

[Titerama]

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen

They could easily have been a lethal weapon for the victim.A slightly different angle, a little more force and it’s cerebral haemorrhage time.

btw it’s a perfectly sensible example showing a logical fallacy.

No. The unisex toilet would in that case have been the scene, not a lethal weapon.

The logically fallacy here is GCacademic’s argument that finding unisex toilets acceptable is equivalent to saying guns should be freely available.

And that if you disagree with that position then it’s because you don’t value the safety of women and girls.

Logical fallacies are arguments that may sound convincing, but are based on faulty logic and are therefore invalid. They may result from innocent errors in reasoning, or be used deliberately to mislead others. Taking logical fallacies at face value can lead you to make poor decisions based on unsound arguments.

[JudgeJ]

@brunettemic

I can’t comment on whether that type of toilet should be abolished or not but the cause of the crime isn’t the same sex toilets, it’s the boy in question. He could very easily have just done that going into a girls toilet. I can remember incidents at school of boys going into the girls toilet.

But the existance of same sex toilets makes it even easier for the boy, were there no same sex toilets and he was seen entering the girls' toilets he might have been stopped.

[brunettemic]

@Helleofabore

Sure.

But why would you make it even easier to do by introducing these types of toilets? At least with the same sex toilets there was a chance that that boy would have been seen first, or another girl could have called out to the girl in the toilet that there was a boy who had come in.

I find that people who attempt to minimise the issue as 'it is the boy's issue' don't want to acknowledge that these toilets have some substantial issues. And giving boys easy access to female victims is just one of them.

The toilets I’ve seen like this schools are really open so actually the chances of being seen are greatly increased vs being able to quickly nip into a closed door where nobody can see and the chances of the damage done being greater are significantly increased.