Schoolgirl kicked in head by boy in unisex toilets- is the idea of unisex unworkable?

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A boy in a school toilets in Coventry has kicked in a door in in an attempt to photograph a 13 yr old girl and she has received head injuries.
When unisex toilets were introduced we were told they would be closely monitored but that is clearly ineffective and they are unsafe for girls.
Do you think they should be abolished?

Yabu Allow them
Yanbu Abolish them.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

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@lifeturnsonadime

I think it is really sinister how our schools have been targeted by gender ideologists.

Schools have been teaching gender as fact, making toilets unisex, socially transitioning children etc. seemingly overreaching the Equality Act without any consultation.

All of this to normalise, in the young, an ideology that most don't believe in and to remove safeguarding for women and girls.

Who benefits when children are desensitised in this way?

How has our state education system been allowed to be used in this way?

This is a question I keep asking. Why has something as clear cut as male/female been allowed to become sin confused in an entire generation? Why is this confusion actively promoted and protected across politics, media and education getting such a massively disproportionate amount of airtime?

in all honesty I think some very sinister background to all this will be revealed at some point.

[swallowedAfly]

Lots has been revealed already. Do some research (that isn't meant snarkily or PA btw! I'm literally recommending you do some research - there are so many red flags and alarm bells and dubious agendas and funders that have fuelled all this and you kind of have to see it yourself to believe it).

[Xant]

@OMG12

This is a question I keep asking. Why has something as clear cut as male/female been allowed to become sin confused in an entire generation? Why is this confusion actively promoted and protected across politics, media and education getting such a massively disproportionate amount of airtime?

in all honesty I think some very sinister background to all this will be revealed at some point.

Oh I think we all know what group is behind the persistent assault on girls’ safety in schools while encouraging boys who like pink to pursue sexual relationships with adult men.

Begins with a P.

[Johnisafckface]

I think there should be separate toilets for just women or men if they are comfortable with using the other ones. I've seen toilets for nursing mothers, so it would be the same concept.

[OneTwoP]

It is ridiculous. As an adult I wouldn't use a unisex toilet. Why should our children? It is totally unacceptable.

[Mummyoflittledragon]

@SlouchingTowardsBethlehemAgain

Mixed sex toilets are the norm in Denmark and other Nordic countries. It is not the toilets that are the problem, it is the way we are bringing up some boys to be violent sexist thugs.

The societal norms are totally different in those countries. Mixed sex naked saunas are also the norm. Children will have been brought up from very young to see people of all ages mixing in a range of more intimate settings. We have a completely different culture and expectations and it’s simply not possible to supplant those norms in the uk. Nor would the majority in this country want to. I do remember a poster, who said she was from a Nordic country, now living in the uk. Much as mixed sex worked over there, she didn’t want it here as mixed sex here doesn’t work.

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@Xant

Oh I think we all know what group is behind the persistent assault on girls’ safety in schools while encouraging boys who like pink to pursue sexual relationships with adult men.

Begins with a P.

Apparently it’s an M these days- mustn’t upset the poor victims of society’s prejudices

[Cleargreysky]

@MyBrotherIsATit

Why are uni sex loos necessary at all? Historically mixed sex loos are known to be dodgy for females with high levels of male on female assault. I’m not surprised girls feel vulnerable at that school

Because male girls matter more than female girls.

And it’s important that we all accept that.

[RichardBarrister]

@OneTwoP

It is ridiculous. As an adult I wouldn't use a unisex toilet. Why should our children? It is totally unacceptable.

I think you’ll find that in a lot of schools with mixed sex student toilets, there are still single sex toilets for the teachers.

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@Cleargreysky

Because male girls matter more than female girls.

And it’s important that we all accept that.

Hence proving that this is all based on sex based, binary thinking and no one, particularly those making the most fuss about this, have the slightest doubt of who is female and who is male and there is no transition mentally from one to the other.

The females are the ones that no one cares about or provides equality of consideration for, on the grounds that they don't really need it, aren't worth it, are only moaning and need to shut up and put others first.

The males are the ones whose feelings, privacy, dignity, self expression and self actualisation matters for.

And then there's two more groups: one of females who have identified into a little bit more consideration and care on the grounds that at least they had the sense to abandon the service droid class: and one of very special males who have male privilege and then a layer of VIP status on top.

[EilonwyWithRedGoldHair]

@Conkersinautumn

It's not the toilet. It's the violent thug that goes around attacking students and trying to take pictures of them. That's very violent abnormal behaviour.

When I was in secondary school it was known by all the girls not to use the end toilet because the boys had made a hole in the ceiling, and if they stood on the toilet in the end cubicle of their loos they could see in.

It is, frankly, not that unusual for teenage boys to be arseholes and to behave inappropriately towards girls. There's no point pretending that's not the case, and I could give multiple examples from my time in school of girls being groped, so why make things worse with unisex toilets?

[ItsShiela]

@EilonwyWithRedGoldHair

When I was in secondary school it was known by all the girls not to use the end toilet because the boys had made a hole in the ceiling, and if they stood on the toilet in the end cubicle of their loos they could see in.

It is, frankly, not that unusual for teenage boys to be arseholes and to behave inappropriately towards girls. There's no point pretending that's not the case, and I could give multiple examples from my time in school of girls being groped, so why make things worse with unisex toilets?

Didn't anyone inform the teachers/school Janitor of the hole, so it would be taken care of?

[EilonwyWithRedGoldHair]

@ItsShiela

Didn't anyone inform the teachers/school Janitor of the hole, so it would be taken care of?

It was there for a long time. Not sure if it got fixed and then the repair was just broken or what. But only two sinks out of about ten were working and the sani-bins weren't emptied often enough. The toilets seemed a bit neglected tbh. But were on the main corridor and I never saw bullying in there either (and I was bullied so would have been a prime target, but nothing happened - or nothing memorable anyway. Maybe name calling, but that was constant wherever I was.)

This was supposed to be the 'good' school in the area as well.

Seen lots of people saying that boys would just go into the girls toilets anyway - never, ever saw that happen. Occasionally happened in primary school, but then it would be three or four boys pushing another one in to embarrass him. Never saw a boy willingly enter the girls toilets. It was like a hard line that couldn't be crossed.

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@GordonShakespearedoesChristmas

When I was at school girls were kicked in the head in the toilets by girls.
My daughter was knocked unconscious on the playground in secondary school.
Mixed toilets are not the problem her.

Was the reason she was kicked in the head because the other girl wanted photos of her with her knickers down? If not, it's the same is it!

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@Postapocalypticcowgirl

This really isn't normal behaviour, and I do think the unisex toilets is a bit of a red herring. I work in a school which has one set of unisex toilets, the rest single sexed, and it honestly works fine. I think the key is giving students options so they can chose what they feel comfortable with.

The issue is the boy feeling entitled to take photos of the girl. If he wasn't doing it in the toilets, he would be upskirting on the bus, or cornering girls in a less visible part of the playground, or something else.

Let's be realistic, you don't go from being someone who's interacting with girls normally to kicking down a toilet door just because the toilets are now unisex- there's more to it than that.

Sexual harassment and assault is becoming a lot more common in schools, and removing unisex toilets definitely won't solve the problems. Schools really need to take a zero tolerance approach. Far to many approaches seem to focus on rescuing the boys, rather than keeping the girls safe. This won't be a first offence, and he probably should have been excluded from the school by now.

The police also tend to be very unwilling to get involved with sexual assault that's happened inside a school- even if it's fairly obvious a crime has been committed. Even when there's good CCTV evidence, or another student has filmed what is going on, they're often just not interested and want the school to deal with it. Or they'll "have a word" with the boy, but actually take no action.

Personally, I think we need to be dealing with the growing issue of male violence in schools, not focusing on toilets.

By putting in mixed sex schools they've just given boys one more place to sexually harass girls. Girl's toilets used to be a place to get away from the boys!

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@LuvSmallDogs

Everyone saying "it's not the unisex loos that's the problem, girls beat each other in single sex toilets" etc...

Are you missing that the motivation for booting in the doors is to photograph girls with their knickers down, in a vulnerable position?!

This is sexual predator territory, if my son did this I would be horrified and worry I was raising a future wife beating rapist!

This unisex toilet policy is helping misogynistic predators to corner girls in a state of undress - if someone saw this little psycho going into the girl's toilets, alarm bells would immediately ring, upping the chances of him being stopped.

This!

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@Postapocalypticcowgirl

But sexual assaults, up skirting, hidden cameras in toilets all happen in schools where there are no unisex toilets.

And there are schools with unisex toilets where this doesn't happen.

I honestly do believe the focus on toilets is a side issue.

So because sexual assaults happen anyway in schools why don't we make it easier on boys who want to be a predators and give them access to girls with their knickers down, is essentially what your saying.

[FuckNuggets]

@InPraiseOfBacchus

Nah, I got kicked plenty of times by girls in girls' toilets when I was growing up. Toilets don't cause gendered violence.

Did the girls also take photos of you with your knickers down?

[TheOriginalEmu]

@Xoxoxoxoxoxox

A boy in a school toilets in Coventry has kicked in a door in in an attempt to photograph a 13 yr old girl and she has received head injuries.
When unisex toilets were introduced we were told they would be closely monitored but that is clearly ineffective and they are unsafe for girls.
Do you think they should be abolished?

Yabu Allow them
Yanbu Abolish them.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

My daughter was hospitalised by girls in a toilet in school.
my transchild has been assaulted more than once in a toilet at school, he now uses the staff toilet. It’s not unisex toilets that’s the problem, it’s disgustingly raised kids who things that’s a way to behave.

[TheOriginalEmu]

@FuckNuggets

Did the girls also take photos of you with your knickers down?

Yes. That has happened.

[worstdaughter]

When I was at school a boy being in the girls' toilets would have got into trouble, a boy causing trouble in the girls' toilets (of the intimidating comments variety) would have been suspended and put on 1:1 supervision upon return, if not expelled. I feel so sorry for the girls forced to use unisex facilities.

[YetAnotherSpartacus]

My daughter was hospitalised by girls in a toilet in school.
my transchild has been assaulted more than once in a toilet at school, he now uses the staff toilet. It’s not unisex toilets that’s the problem, it’s disgustingly raised kids who things that’s a way to behave.

But they clearly aren't helping, are they? So let's abolish them.

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My daughter was hospitalised by girls in a toilet in school.
my transchild has been assaulted more than once in a toilet at school, he now uses the staff toilet. It’s not unisex toilets that’s the problem, it’s disgustingly raised kids who things that’s a way to behave.

I’m sorry for your child but it’s a fact that girls are put at more risk from sexual harassment when they use shared facilities and by taking that away there will s bound to be an uptick in these kind of incidents.

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html?amp

[Cleargreysky]

@TheOriginalEmu

My daughter was hospitalised by girls in a toilet in school.
my transchild has been assaulted more than once in a toilet at school, he now uses the staff toilet. It’s not unisex toilets that’s the problem, it’s disgustingly raised kids who things that’s a way to behave.

There are different forms of violence and multiple, co-occurring solutions are needed to reduce incidents of violence.

The fact that girls attack girls is not a reason to increase boys access to sexually intimidate, voyeur, harass and violently assault girls. You can surely see that?

Literally no one is arguing that all we need is single sex toilets, as your response seems to imply we are saying.

[Untitledsquatboulder]

@FuckNuggets the unisex toilets I've seen in schools and universities have all had cubicles with floor to ceiling doors so far more secure against unwanted intrusion than the traditional cubicle model which you can see over and under. They've also been far more overseen from the corridor than traditional toilets, with the cubicles arranged in a semi circle and sinks in the middle. Less privacy when washing your hands but far less chance of unseen bullying, smoking or vandalism (to name the 3 favourite toilet-related pastimes of my youth - and I went to an all girls school).