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AIBU?

Schoolgirl kicked in head by boy in unisex toilets- is the idea of unisex unworkable?

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 15/03/2023 12:50

A boy in a school toilets in Coventry has kicked in a door in in an attempt to photograph a 13 yr old girl and she has received head injuries.
When unisex toilets were introduced we were told they would be closely monitored but that is clearly ineffective and they are unsafe for girls.
Do you think they should be abolished?

Yabu Allow them
Yanbu Abolish them.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

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gogohmm · 15/03/2023 12:53

The fact a boy committed this offence is not due to the toilets, it's due to his bad behaviour - he could have gone into a girl's toilet and done the same thing, he obviously doesn't mind breaking rules!

The issue of privacy is valid but as someone who was kicked in a girls toilet (by a girl) I am not sure crime is reduced by same sex, in fact bullying is worse. Best arrangement is full cubicles sell contained straight onto the corridor

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ChestnutGrove · 15/03/2023 12:54

God that looks like a nasty injury on her forehead. Poor girl.

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PeppermintPorpoise · 15/03/2023 12:54

YANBU

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SlipperyLizard · 15/03/2023 12:54

They should never have been introduced. Kids (male & female) generally hate them, and they put female students at risk.

Ridiculous that we expect teenagers to use facilities that most adults wouldn’t want to. My DDs school has unisex toilets (that they call “gender neutral”), but on a visit there I noticed that the teacher’s toilets were labelled “male” and “female”. Funny that!

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KalimbaMoon · 15/03/2023 12:57

Women and girls need single-sex facilities. Additional unisex facilities are fine if it's a loo in a self-contained room, floor-to-ceiling, with its own sink. I don't agree with unisex facilities being cubicles with gaps under and above the doors. What happened to this poor girl is simply horrific.

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ChestnutGrove · 15/03/2023 12:58

In the article the parents are saying the problem started after unisex toilets were introduced and that boys take photos and kick doors down which has broken the locks

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Albiboba · 15/03/2023 12:59

This is by far the most reaching post linked to unisex toilets.

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wincarwoo · 15/03/2023 13:00

Albiboba · 15/03/2023 12:59

This is by far the most reaching post linked to unisex toilets.

In what way?

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Brefugee · 15/03/2023 13:01

The fact a boy committed this offence is not due to the toilets, it's due to his bad behaviour - he could have gone into a girl's toilet and done the same thing, he obviously doesn't mind breaking rules!

it's not as easy as that. If they have separate sex toilets, a boy going into the girls' toilets is immediately noticeable. If they are mixed? how are you going to stop it.

Having mixed sexed toilets where you can see over the top, or under the bottom aren't in line with mixed sex toilets, and this also needs to be addressed by the school.

The boys are being opportunist about this - they were literally given the key to the door.

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Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 13:01

Albiboba · 15/03/2023 12:59

This is by far the most reaching post linked to unisex toilets.

Why is it the most reaching?

Do you not think that boys kicking in doors to take photos of the girl's in the toilet is a real thing? Or that they would do that by just going into the girl's toilets and doing it anyway?

Please explain your thinking here.

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Rowthe · 15/03/2023 13:01

gogohmm · 15/03/2023 12:53

The fact a boy committed this offence is not due to the toilets, it's due to his bad behaviour - he could have gone into a girl's toilet and done the same thing, he obviously doesn't mind breaking rules!

The issue of privacy is valid but as someone who was kicked in a girls toilet (by a girl) I am not sure crime is reduced by same sex, in fact bullying is worse. Best arrangement is full cubicles sell contained straight onto the corridor

When I was in school.

No boy would have been seen dead in the girls loo.

I doubt he would have felt as emboldened to go in the girls loo and kick down a door than a unisex loo.

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Salverus · 15/03/2023 13:04

If a boy went into a girls loo and kicked the door down that would be seen as a huge breach of rules.

The fact that he's in his loo will embolden boys

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GordonShakespearedoesChristmas · 15/03/2023 13:04

When I was at school girls were kicked in the head in the toilets by girls.
My daughter was knocked unconscious on the playground in secondary school.
Mixed toilets are not the problem her.

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StopStartStop · 15/03/2023 13:05

SlipperyLizard · 15/03/2023 12:54

They should never have been introduced. Kids (male & female) generally hate them, and they put female students at risk.

Ridiculous that we expect teenagers to use facilities that most adults wouldn’t want to. My DDs school has unisex toilets (that they call “gender neutral”), but on a visit there I noticed that the teacher’s toilets were labelled “male” and “female”. Funny that!

Exactly.

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Salverus · 15/03/2023 13:05

GordonShakespearedoesChristmas · 15/03/2023 13:04

When I was at school girls were kicked in the head in the toilets by girls.
My daughter was knocked unconscious on the playground in secondary school.
Mixed toilets are not the problem her.

They 100% are the problem and they are totally unwanted and unnecessary.

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Wakemeuuuup · 15/03/2023 13:06

This story is absolutely horrendous, that poor girl. I suspect there a big behaviour problems at that school.

My kids' school changed one set of toilets to unisex and kept the rest as separate girls and boys.

There are now only a couple of unisex toilets as the girls complained that the boys were leaving the toilets in a bad way. The school listened and agreed with them. There was no mention of bad behaviour from either sex though

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wincarwoo · 15/03/2023 13:06

GordonShakespearedoesChristmas · 15/03/2023 13:04

When I was at school girls were kicked in the head in the toilets by girls.
My daughter was knocked unconscious on the playground in secondary school.
Mixed toilets are not the problem her.

I'd hate to see boys in the girls school toilets. It's so intrusive.

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Salverus · 15/03/2023 13:07

I love the way the article just glosses over the fact that the boys are photographing girls in the loos.

That's not something that could have been an issue for all the apologists saying girls kicked their heads in when they were at school.

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Conkersinautumn · 15/03/2023 13:08

It's not the toilet. It's the violent thug that goes around attacking students and trying to take pictures of them. That's very violent abnormal behaviour.

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Tinysoxxx · 15/03/2023 13:09

gogohmm · 15/03/2023 12:53

The fact a boy committed this offence is not due to the toilets, it's due to his bad behaviour - he could have gone into a girl's toilet and done the same thing, he obviously doesn't mind breaking rules!

The issue of privacy is valid but as someone who was kicked in a girls toilet (by a girl) I am not sure crime is reduced by same sex, in fact bullying is worse. Best arrangement is full cubicles sell contained straight onto the corridor

No
cubicles with full length doors are more dangerous, less hygienic and more expensive to maintain.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/03/2023 13:10

I love the way the article just glosses over the fact that the boys are photographing girls in the loos.

This.

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Helleofabore · 15/03/2023 13:10

GordonShakespearedoesChristmas · 15/03/2023 13:04

When I was at school girls were kicked in the head in the toilets by girls.
My daughter was knocked unconscious on the playground in secondary school.
Mixed toilets are not the problem her.

Sure.

But why add to ways that children can get access to their targets?

Mixed toilets may not be the problem for HER. But it might well be the problem for many girls for many different reasons. Bullying is just one of them.

Another is the number of girls who are no longer even using the toilets at school and suffering health issues because of it. Or missing parts of lessons so they can change their period products when there is less chance a boy will hear.

So, sure. Not your or your daughter's problem. But it does not detract one iota from being other girl's problems.

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MissingMoominMamma · 15/03/2023 13:10

The bottom line is, girls shouldn’t feel uncomfortable or unsafe when they go to the loo!

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ZeroFuchsGiven · 15/03/2023 13:11

There is another thread here about it.
www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4763206-another-victim-of-mixed-sex-toilets?reply=124635270

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oldwhyno · 15/03/2023 13:12

@gogohmm don't talk rubbish, of course the unisex toilets are a huge factor. Have you even read the article?

@Albiboba How is this a reach? Did you read the article? “It is an ongoing problem at that school, there are unisex toilets so girls and boys have to share and the boys go in and take photos of the girls”

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