Schoolgirl kicked in head by boy in unisex toilets- is the idea of unisex unworkable?

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A boy in a school toilets in Coventry has kicked in a door in in an attempt to photograph a 13 yr old girl and she has received head injuries.
When unisex toilets were introduced we were told they would be closely monitored but that is clearly ineffective and they are unsafe for girls.
Do you think they should be abolished?

Yabu Allow them
Yanbu Abolish them.

www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-schoolgirl-taken-hospital-after-26418069

Why are uni sex loos necessary at all? Historically mixed sex loos are known to be dodgy for females with high levels of male on female assault. I’m not surprised girls feel vulnerable at that school

factual statistics show that single sex loos are safer for girls and women.

Exactly, they are not. This is all thanks to direct and indirect influence of Stonewall who are determined to remove all single sex spaces, either by ensuring that male people are allowed into female only spaces, or by incentivising schools to make all facilities mixed sex.

As far as I can see, the vast majority of students hate them, the vast majority of sane parents hate them and it is only adults who have lost sight of safeguarding and rights of basic safety and dignity for girls (and dignity for boys) who support them.

That ^^

You may believe that Jesus Christ is your saviour and that all should live in your faith or suffer eternal damnation, but you cannot teach it to vulnerable children as if it was fact. This would be taking advantage of your position of trust to indoctrinate children, wouldn't it?

Gender ideology isn't any more holy.

And those saying that girls beat up girls at their school - yes, my school had vile girls too that I didn't want to be in an enclosed space with. But I didn't have to also deal in addition with boys, immature and lacking social skills with teenaged brains and impulse control issues and a lot of hormones, sexually assaulting and abusing me when I was most vulnerable. When I think back to the skirts hoiked up, bra straps pinged, the mocking and jeering and humiliation of girls by teenaged boys.... if they'd been able to get into toilets with girls and be there listening to them undress and pee and use menstrual stuff it would have been horrific. And all of the ones I'm thinking of grew up to be nice, decent blokes. Even that low level teenaged arseholism was awful to girls to endure: and that didn't include the active assaults and rapes happening now based on a society busy stuffing kids' heads full of porn, misogyny and a belief that removing women's privacy and demanding that they suffer is somehow righteous and holy.

You might want to think of signing this to try to get the law clarified so organisations go back to providing single sex spaces in the confidence that this is allowed:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

I don't get why people are pushing for unisex toilets for adolescents? I can understand how it might not make a difference in early primary but for secondary? I just don't get how they are in any way a good idea.

Because identity is more important than girls safety.

No. I agree. It makes no sense.

When its: some kids with identity challenges or varied appearance need privacy and dignity and should have proportional amounts of accessible mixed sex single user cubicles as an alternative to sexed based provision- that's a reasonable adjustment.

But when it's an absolute focus on removing the option and choice of female only spaces in full knowledge of that many females are being significantly affected and do not want this.....?

You have to start seriously questioning the motives of those pushing that agenda.

I think the reason is obvious.

If you make unisex the way forward in schools you educate the girls from a very early age that they don't matter.

You educate girls that they don't deserve privacy, dignity and safety.

You educate girls that boys matter more.

You educate girls not to moan about it because if you do you are unkind or bigoted.

it's deliberate targeting. Just like prisons.

Yes.

You lower the boundaries around privacy and sex in children, particularly girls in the name of 'tolerance' with the hope that those girls will enact the changes or will not counter the changes that will cause them harm.

I mean, just how often were we told as girls to not worry about that 'x' because it was just a little thing, just once, just not worth causing upset over....

I thought we got past that but here we are doing it again.

This time with the kicker of people saying, it is not a 'mixed toilets' issue!

Either these posters don't want mixed toilet provision changed back, or don't feel it should be addressed right now while still addressing the other issues.

Either way, there are posters on this thread who want us to think that mixed toilets shouldn't be changed back OR shouldn't be prevented from rolling out further when the mixed toilet provision is either the only provision or is the majority style of toilet offered.

Unisex toilets only introduces more opportunities for problems, while adding extremely little in the way of positive effects. A tiny number of students may feel better using a unisex toilet, but when that's the only option available, it comes at the cost of so many others.

Yes, some girls are violent bullies, too, but there aren't as many of them as there are boys who will intimidate or spy on the girls, given the chance. Why is it acceptable to needlessly increase the number of pressures on girls in the more vulnerable position of using the loo?

I question what benefit a mixed sex toilet has to a dysphoric girl who is trying to deal with periods in any case. I would have been even more hateful of my body having to deal with periods with the crackling on wrappers and the closing of a bin sounds being heard by boys.

As usual, I suspect the only group of students to benefit from 'mixed sex' toilets are male.

Each and every fucking time.

in addition, the school will only know about specific issues raised directly with them, therefore leaving general female discomfort and a large percentage of the abuse encountered unvoiced and unheard.

It’s weird. UNICEF recognise that girls and women need single sex toilets. Yet here it seems it’s not a need that’s recognised

UNICEF South Asia on Twitter: "Unsafe toilets are robbing ...

Twitter
twitter.com › UNICEFROSA › status
19 Nov 2022 — Making toilets safe and female-friendly helps keep girls in school, ... women and girls depend on female-only spaces and single-sex spaces.

Apparently women in nasty foreign places need such things. Western world men shouldn't be thwarted.

Classism, racism, sexism, ageism, misogyny, homophobia.... this ideology has a lot of very grubby friends.

And agree it's about training females young to just accept no privacy, dignity and endless being used by males is their biological lot in life. (But that they must repeat the lie that sex doesn't exist and does not disadvantage them.)

With the aim that they'll grow up and stop being like us lousy lot, endlessly banging on about wanting equality of access, rights and that women are not walking sex aids.

No one can ever answer why they think trans children are entitled to less safeguarding than the other children. Frequently advocating for situations that leave them at risk. Trans children still have a sex regardless of how much they hate it. Its of no benefit whatsoever to give a female child regardless of identity the choice of facilities to use. They are as at risk as any other child of their sex. If anyone really cared about trans children they would afford them the same levels of caution as everyone else.

That's what being an adult is about. Taking the crap from the kids kicking off because they disagree or whatever. Because as adults we have that responsibility and we have to make decisions some times that we know won't go down well but it has to be done until the time comes they have the rights or the abilities to make the decision themselves.

Imagine if teachers and parents attempted to keep the kids happy by supplying alcohol or drugs or letting them sleep with their boyfriends/girlfriends at 13 in their houses. Pretty sure Ss would be called.

But its fine to put a female at greater risk of sexual assault and death from medical treatments as they were based on ge der not sex as long as stonewall gives them.a certificate and the kid is happy.

*Do you think that schools sending girls (and boys) the message that girls have no right or need for spaces away from boys is helping or hindering schools from dealing with the second issue?

Do girls deserve to feel safe and to not have their dignity removed while they sort that out?

Do you agree that the majority of toilets should be single sex to give suitable provision to the greatest number of students with a few unisex in addition?*

Do you think that boys’ entitlement, predatory behaviour, porn use and harassment of and violence towards girls should be a major social focus including within schools?

Mixed sex toilets are the norm in Denmark and other Nordic countries. It is not the toilets that are the problem, it is the way we are bringing up some boys to be violent sexist thugs

It’s both

Yes. And unacceptable

*There are two separate problems here that are being confused.

The first is mixed sex toilets that are leaving girls feeling vulnerable.

The second is the way boys are behaving towards girls.

Personally I feel that the second is the far bigger problem. However I do think that all schools should maintain single sex toilets alongside mixed*

Yes I mostly agree and I am surprised that some posters are downplaying the issue of male entitlement and violence.

I’d like to see an end to mixed sex toilets as a standard provision though and go back to single sex.

Who asked for mixed sex toilets. Used to be girls toilets and boys toilet’s

why has this been introduced and who asked for it

what was the reasoning for this

Can anything actually be done about this?

Could someone start one of those petitions that have to be debated if they get over a certain number of signatures??

That is a thought!

I'd sign it!