To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

The promise to modernise the GRA.

Lack of support for Rosie Duffield against sexism in the party.

"It shouldnt be said that women have cervixes." I dont think Kier actually gives a crap about trans rights but he cares about keeping the Momentum-y lot on side, and I dont like what that's going to lead to.

The fact that that Angela Rayner has always been so aggressively self-righteous about TWAW and yet when she was interviewed a couple of weeks ago and the gender critical interviewer put the other side to her, she seemed utterly bewildered, as though she'd never even heard the arguments on the feminist side before.

The lack of female leader. It's not coincidence, is it?

I hate the current Government, but nobody seems to represent my views.

At a national level, I want to see a long-term economic plan including energy and food security, high growth sectors and improving productivity. Investment in education and infrastrusture that actually works. And rationalisation of the tax system: automatic uprating of all tax thresholds by inflation annually. Tax allowances and thresholds allocated per household so that single people are no longer penalised and taxed more for the same household income. Removal of the bottlenecks around tax thresholds, at £12.5k, £50k and the ridiculous withdrawal of the tax free allowance at £100k resulting in 62-85% effective tax rate, when millionnaires pay far less!

I want to see a commitment to implement proper policies on the above issues from day one of being in office: competent people in charge.

I see no sign of this from anybody.

@Thisisthewaywe

Regarding the trans issue, I don't believe that many of the top people in Labour really believe that TWAW. They may say they do because anything else will get them accused of transphobia (which the right-wing press will run and run with), but I credit them with enough intelligence to know that it's not that simple and to make laws accordingly to protect women. I would also like to point out that all the problems so far have happened under a Tory government...

That doesn't explain why they have tolerated and excused the appalling treatment of Rosie Duffield. What is worse, that they believe twaw or that they don't but they would stand back and watch a Labour mp be sidelined and heckled by their own members for saying the sky is blue?

And obviously them to drop their gutlessness about stating very clearly and publicly that the UK shouldn't continue with a self-inflicted compounding 4% loss of GDP in perpetuity and will rejoin the single market and customs union.

TWAW

Too many Labour TRAs not being dealt with.

This is the weirdest argument ever. A lot of things in the past have been changed even though only a minority were in favour at first. This thread probably wouldn’t exist as women wouldn’t be able to vote.

The voting majority (so not even the majority of the population) all think one way so so must you?

@KatyKlanger the Labour Party after the war was born out of the Communist party because the difference between rich and poor at the time was so great. Under Harold Wilson in the 60s they did a lot of good, equal pay act, decriminalised homosexuality and abortion, built hundreds of thousands of homes, aimed for full employment, introduced the Race Relations Act. But half the party still thought he betrayed them because half the party clung to communist hardline policies. Same happened with Tony Blair. Under Labour schools were rebuilt, hospitals built and massive increase in drs and nurses. Waiting lists went right down. Sure start, support for families and children. But again, the left half of the party (ignoring Iraq) still thought he betrayed them because he didn't go far enough. It's the same now. Starmer is trying to be a moderate Labour leader and half the party will always fight him. But the fact that each time Labour has gained power the country has been in a disastrous state , as after Thatcher and then again now with massive underfunding of services, suggests that despite everything Labour does achieve things. But it doesn't have the huge groundswell of support to stay in power because half the supporters always want more left in policies that they supply and would rather have an unelectable Corbyn

Also, proper planning policies. New houses must be built with facilities: shops, schools, GPs, new water reservoirs...

All just basic common sense stuff basically. All of it. Every single thing I've said is a no-brainer. Yet not one single political party has anybody with the conviction or intelligence to state that this is what they will do.

They don't know what a woman is.

Harold Wilson. Mr "a pound is a pound", inflation doesn't exist. 🤣🤣🤣

1. Constituency boundaries have been engineered to favour the Tories over the years. Our First Past the Post system reinforces this.
2. The majority of our press is owned by people who have links to and fund the Tory party, and have done for many decades.
3. British people are generally quite conservative with a small c, and the Tories play on this in their electioneering.

I dont have a clear message about what their big issue is that they stand for.

Yes, I know their policies and views but when it was Tony Blair it was Education Education Education. Boris was Brexit and Environment.

What is Labours big aim?

"Their lack of common sense over where money comes from". I think you have confused Labour with Liz Truss.

So which political party do you think reward’ hard workers ‘ ? I work with people who work bloody hard ,12 hour shifts and their pay is shocking . You would struggle to find harder workers anywhere ,so which party is more likely to pay them a decent wage if not labour?

He can't say what a woman is.

The trans issue and Starmers support for Tom Watson plus his complete lack of any charisma

I'm such a floating voter this time round.

I really rate our local MP who is labour. I'd vote for her any day.

I haven't before because my political 'home' used to be Lib Dem... but they seem to have lost their way. They I couldn't bring myself to in any way vote for corbyn.

Now I'm just not sure.

"The environment". Well, that went well. Most polluted waters in Europe.

I think Starmer is a drip and the TWAW thing makes me not want to vote for them. My vote won't matter as I live in a Conservative area and tbh the Conservative counsellors in the council are really good at their job. The local MP is shit but no one will vote Conservatives out here.

I was staunchly labour before and a member of the party.

I probably will be voting Labour, I think, but with a heavy heart.

My objections-

• Keir Starmer- well-meaning but lacking leadership qualities and the ability to sell a vision
• Brexit- again, nothing to offer to those of us who think it was a mistake, no vision for a closer relationship with the EU nor for how to make the current arrangement work, no sympathy for those who have been negatively affected. Just endless patronising red wall nonsense. Even Brexiteer Rishi has more to offer.
• Failure to engage with concerns re women's spaces
• General failure to communicate any sort of alternative for the country. What do Labour stand for? What would they do differently? I'm quite a politically-engaged person and I have no idea-I've even read their recent Five Missions and am none the wiser beyond noting that they've suggested some legislation called the Take Back Control Act, ffs. Dominic Cummings' sloppy seconds.

• TWAW
• no idea what Starmer really wants to do except criticise from afar
• chippy and intellectually lacking individuals- Raynor, Philips and Lammy etc
• magic money tree and lack of realism

Very good on all points. I agree and the rehashed line was an utter farce.

I live in what was once a safe Conservative seat. It went to Labour then back to Conservatives with a tiny majority.

Labour refused to allow the former Labour MP to stand as a candidate again although she is very good and highly regarded locally (I know her personally). Now a ‘safe’ white middle aged male has been selected. That is one reason they won’t get my vote.

The second and most important reason is that the Labour leadership appear to think that men can grow a cervix/that women hoard rights/that any pervert in a dress can access women’s spaces/or are too shit scared of being cancelled to stand up for women or their even their own colleague Rosie.

I am 60 and lifelong lefty but will spoil my ballot paper rather than let this misogynistic bunch of fuckers in.

I will not be a hand maiden to this trans twaddle rubbish, or hold my nose while they undo decades of hard won women’s rights.