To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

I can't imagine Starmer, Raynor etc representing the U.K on a world stage. Their refusal to deal with the anti semitism in the party, their stance on women's rights and the fact i want Scotland to stay as part of the union.

Wonder if some of us live in the same area, as there’s other posters saying they’re in an area split between Lib Dem’s and Conservatives.

I’ll be shocked if the conservative MP gets in again, some people I know who like the party can’t stand him. He’s one of the ones caught up in the PPE corruption, and has made a disgusting amount of money from contract work (while apparently also working full time as an MP )

Thank you @Mutabiliss well said!

Instead of relying on polling using lower income home workers to fill out questionnaires why in God's name don't the LP listen to women on sites such as this?
It's all so fucking frustrating.

Nothing. I will enthusiastically vote Labour at the next election even it's unlikely they'll get in here - they might though, it depends on how much the Tories are hated by the time the next election comes.

Very different from 2019 when for the first time since 1983, when I was able to vote for the first time, I cast it against Labour. I voted Liberal Democrat - they were in thrall to gender woo too - but I wanted Labour to get annihilated so we would rid of Jeremy Corbyn and I could have my party back.

Corbyn was wholly unsuited to be Prime Minister. So was Boris Johnson but the difference was no one was ever going to be stupid enough to vote for Corbyn. He was also an antisemite and a peevish crank.

Momentum treated this potentially winnable constituency with contempt because they despise people like me as Red Tories. First they imposed someone who was shuffled off before the election for a misogynist sex scandal which a child would have seen coming but which was presumably okay because it was the right kind of man abusing women. It wasn't only his not-so-private life, it was the fact that he was totally unfitted to be an MP and would have treated it like a jolly and a chance to cash in on expenses. A bit like Jared O'Mara in Sheffield Hallam www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/feb/09/former-sheffield-hallam-mp-jared-omara-jailed-for-four-years.

Then they imposed a barrister who had very comfortable lifestyle and who shared Corbyn's antisemitism. This is not a big Jewish constituency so they presumably thought the lefty barrister bit would sway us.

All the way to the polling station I wondered if I could really do it. But I did and I felt fine.

He really fudged that question today with Nick Ferrari on lbc radio. about Sue Gray. I have always thought of him as reluctant leader and the woman's right issue will come up time and again ( along with immigration)
Wouldn't surprise me if the conservatives win the next election but with a reduced majority.
Not what I'd like to see , personally, but it's surprising how much support the conservatives still have. Especially where I live

Genuine q for those saying they couldn't because of anti-semitism, I don't follow things that closely, but I thought Starmer has dealt with it and the final act is that Corbyn won't be allowed to stand for Labour. Plus the headline last week that someone who had resigned had rejoined.

Is that not the case/ do issues persist?

My MP is a huge trans ally and I cannot vote for TWAW. I am also deeply disappointed by Labour's position on rejoining/revisiting the relationwship with the EU.

They're stupid.

I find Keir Starmer thoroughly unappealing and I don’t think he would be a good Prime Minister.

Concerns about the magic money tree.

On a personal level I’d expect to be much worse off.

Genuinely no idea how I’ll vote in the next election. We had a good local MP (Tory) who was replaced by a Bring Back Boris idiot at the last election.

Bourbonbon Exactly the same here! Keir always seems "unavliable" .Lisa Nandy is his mouthpiece it seems.Even when he does speak he never seems to have many ideas of his own .

Corbyn nurtured and encouraged a culture of antisemitism to spread throughout the party. I am Jewish and was a Labour member until recent years as were my parents.

There has always been an undertone of AS within the socialist left but also always been a strong Jewish presence. Under Corbyn, the antisemitic elements came to the surface. Experiences of Jewish people, including me, in the CLP meetings were horrendous and traumatic. The most grotesquely antisemitic imagery and slogans became part of the everyday discourse.

Starmer himself I do not think is antisemitic and I think his heart in the right place, but it has become so endemic and acceptable that I think it will take many years to improve, if ever.

Some people are ready to give them another chance. I am not so sure yet. The bulk of the MPs and members are still the same people who actively campaigned to get an antisemite in charge of this country, and who very nearly led to my family and i becoming refugees ourselves. I will continue to watch and wait.

I would never vote Tory either. I am not sure that I really have any options.

I think the grassroots of Labour have been completely tainted by angry progressives. As much as it pisses me off that the Tories are an Etonian boys club o don’t think they’re after a totalitarian state in the same way as Labour. I’d rather be poor with my freedoms intact than poor with my voice silenced.

Labour barely bother campaigning where I live.

Self id/ TWAW / failure to protect sex based rights.

I'm politically homeless. I'm a bit of a lib dem at heart but the last few elections I've just voted green just to waste a vote as I'm in a huge Tory stronghold.

I didn't vote labour last time as I felt that Corbyn essentially wanted to punish ambition. I'm self employed, and although my wage isn't high, I felt like his previous tax plans would be hugely negative because it literally stemmed ambition. I have absolutely no idea what Starmer's thoughts are on this.

I would like to know more about what they actually stand for - even 3-4 years later, it still feels very much "i'm not Corbyn". I don't know what labour's vision is for the country and how they plan to revitalise the UK.

On the plus side, I do feel that the labour party (well anyone thats not Tory) are genuinely in it to help the country, not just their own egos.

No. That's some words to say I believe those that work their butts off on low salaries should be prioritised for help over those who choose* not to work or do not take measures to help or support themselves.

I want a government who will support the "poor" people because if you're working long hours on a low salary you shouldn't be poor.

If you have a problem with my view of supporting those working full time on low salaries and you think they should continue to live in poverty, then shame on you. Hard work should be rewarded.

And no, I did not vote Tory.

I read a recent interview with Angela Rayner and her views on gender ID are muddled to say the least. She does not appear to have thought things through at all. The lack of support for Rosie Duffield is also unconscionable.

However, I will vote purely on protecting nature and the environment this time. The Tories' proposed investment zones with 'light touch regulation' and looser planning rules ring massive alarm bells for me. We have to build more houses but it must be done without allowing wholesale, permanent destruction of the countryside. The state of our rivers and beaches are heartbreaking and can be traced directly to the Tories.

It's not much of a choice is it? Women's rights might be damaged for a generation or more but the natural world would be destroyed forever.

Their poor treatment of women, and their crap spending policies.

I feel similarly but I think that if Labour don’t get in next time then they’ll be forced to look at why and revisit their position on women’s rights. But if they get in then they stand to obliterate the few protections that women have and it will take decades to recover from this. I just can’t vote for it.

Politically I can’t believe I’m thinking of voting Tory - I’ve always been left leaning and used to be a member of the Labour Party. I’ve voted Lib Dem and Green very occasionally in the past (partly tactically) but they’re lost causes now. But being a women is more important to me than being left wing so I can’t vote for a party that can’t define what a woman is.

Also helps that I prefer Sunak to Johnson.

I will vote labour next election. We need to get rid of the Tories. Kier isn't as left leaning as I am but it's voting for a better outcomes for everyone

Because I don’t think they’re any better than the Tories (won’t be voting Tory). I’ve seen them many times in first class taking their partners as “staff” on foreign trips, living the night life. And Tony Blair was the biggest Tory I’ve ever met.

I really have no faith in any party to get us out of this mess. I’ve worked on “vote for the lesser evil” for the past decade, but don’t know who that is anymore.

It’s interesting to read these, I feel like Labour have been so desperate to appeal to the masses and take a middle ground that they end up standing for nothing.

Because I grew up in the North East of England, on a council estate in a Labour dominated area.

The current Labour MP isn't great with anything.

I'm in Wales under a Labour Government which has had control of education and NHS for over 20+ years - it's not an inspiring outcome.

Dislike the attack on women's rights and recent discussion around forcing employers to have a menopause plan - worried it's nothing concrete to actually help women but will stoke prejudiced and employer fears and add to business burdens.

I haven't forgotten the anti- semitic behavior previously though that does seem to have been dealt with.

I'm not sure what their plans are if they do get in other then not be Tory.

They don't seem to be tune with working class communities - but the leveling up stuff from Tories was - to no-ones real surprise - just talk so perhaps they feel once again who else can they vote for - which feels very complacent and grates.. I also feel there a lack of talent on Labour benches - though that's not a unique to them problem.