To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

[Winniethepoohandtiggertoo]

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Anyone that posts on here to call people bots are what I mean.

It’s not reasonable and is the usual shite that tries to look like politics on the rest of mn.

I’m glad those who are turned off Labour can put a point across well. I’m in good company.

This child was not murdered by a man (as far as we know, a boy and a girl are in custody).
KIS's list is to honour women murdered by men. I am sad that you cannot see the issue here.

Yeah, anyone calling people bots. Really bad. Recognise this?

This again. Did it affect you?

If so think about why saying someone is from CCHQ might respond in kind. It is what you did you do realise that don’t you, can you see your initial post.

If you had apologised I would have accepted it.

@MarshaBradyo

I'm afraid you have to own up to hypocrisy here. What I said is irrelevant, because I didn't claim the high ground by saying one should never call folk bots, despite doing so myself. And again, because you seem confused, being a party activist is not the same as being a bot. Do you know what a bot is?

I’m not confused. Just bored with posters like you. I cba continuing

I’m sure the rest of mn would love your debating style. It’s top quality. I don’t so give it a rest and harass someone else.

Anyway back to normal intelligent posters

I don’t agree with inclusion on the list either

No i don't because the focus should always be on (and i'll chose my wording more carefully for you, as you like to split hairs) violence.

You are focusing on ONE murder (as it appears to be) instead of the 100s males commit against females and indeed against other males each and every year.

Side show.

However, i wouldn't have done it because as you ve admirably demonstrated anyone who dislikes Labour will use any excuse or anyone, dead or alive to have a go at them.

Bit like Braverman and Linekers tweet, she and many others are forgetting he made this tweet AFTER speaking to a Holocaust survivor.

Freedom of speech is only defended IF "we" agree on that speech other wise it becomes inappropriate/unwise/not helpful/dangerous.

As HS she should be defending his right to speak out, regardless of her own opinions.

Freedom of speech is important and works both ways. So people being criticised for choices such as inclusion on a list.

However don’t BBC have rules on impartiality? If he wasn’t state / taxpayer funded BBC with that in place then fine,

Lineker isn't a news reader or BBC journalist.

I agree if he blatantly supported one football team over another fair enough but he, like any other citizen should be allowed to express an opinion.

How the BBC is funded should not matter or we go down the route of a "state Broadcaster"

I wonder if Braverman and Tory media/supporters would be so upset if he had tweeted in favour of the Govt's immigration policies?

I doubt so.

Phillips can and should be subject to whatever criticism comes her way as should Lee Anderson for wanting to bring back the death penalty - both should be allowed to express their views.

It’s pretty rich of the BBC to criticise Lineker on the grounds of political partiality when its chairman is so closely linked to the Tory party. Attacking free speech is a very dangerous road and how better to prove the veracity of what he said? The government clearly has no sense of irony.

The BBC rules on impartiality went out of the window the second they put Richard Sharp in post.

As a swing voter who has concerns about some Labour ideas, I was enjoying this thread, I thought there might be tangible things that made a picture of why others were also concerned. Especially with the conservative thread running alongside which I've also posted on, unfortunately this one seems to have descended to petty remarks and disrespect towards those of other opinions which spoils the debate.

It's noticeable on here how many people say they can't/won't support labour for reasons which are not true, eg life was worse under Blair. Echo Chambers are not useful so these untruths can and should be challenged.

It's interesting how there is no challenge to comments on the conservative thread, but if I felt strongly that they were my party of choice I would be all over it.

I find it concerning that Labours refusal to listen on the twaw front, along with most of the other parties seem to be allowing the conservatives to destroy the country. Most of the twaw legislation and changes within our public sector establishments have come while the conservatives have been with a large majority meaning they are speaking with their actions not their words so it's overlooked by many people. Include that in your thinking and the picture flips.

Regardless of people being happy he said it or not it’d come down to the contract signed.

If it states impartially for people that work there then he’s included.

We don't know what he has signed & the law allows for what is reasonable.

I think a Holocaust survivor contacting him and he then basically tweeting their concerns (that he agrees with) is reasonable and in the public interest.

I'd like to know the opinions of one of the very few people left alive who experienced this & the only way to get those opinions out there is to have the services of a celebrity.

Braverman was a fool criticising him, she has just given air to his tweet.

If it states impartially for people that work there then he’s included.

Agreed. Surely that should also apply to the chairman?

Here you go. There’s info out there for what he needs to follow.

The BBC also has specific rules over the use of social media for all employees, including freelancers. These are:

1. Always behave professionally, treating others with respect and courtesy at all times: follow the BBC’s values.

1. Don’t bring the BBC into disrepute.

1. If your work requires you to maintain your impartiality, don’t express a personal opinion on matters of public policy, politics, or ‘controversial subjects’ (as defined by Ofcom).

1. Don’t criticise your colleagues in public. Respect the privacy of the workplace and the confidentiality of internal announcements.

It is possible the BBC would consider whether Lineker has infringed on the third item and possibly the second.

Their assumption that everyone who’s worked their ass off as a self employed person for 15 years and done alright for themselves is automatically “rich” and must be punished for it via high taxes.

Any chance of a link to the Tory thread @L1ttledrummergirl? I can’t find it.

I expect this has been posted before. But is Ingala Smith's response.

kareningalasmith.com/2023/03/09/picking-our-targets/

3. If your work requires you to maintain your impartiality, don’t express a personal opinion on matters of public policy, politics, or ‘controversial subjects’ (as defined by Ofcom)

He is footie presenter, so does his work require him to be "impartial" on all subjects?

Yes of course for Kate Adie etc.

"Whether or not we agree with Jess’s decision, let’s not make her or Brianna Ghey the scapegoats. We should be demanding action from the elected representatives and others with power and influence, who do nothing or little to end men’s violence against and abuse of women and girls. They’re the ones we should be castigating"

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@Blossomtoes

It’s the BBC guidelines even if people think he just does the football.

It adds: “Breach of this guidance may lead to disciplinary action for employees in line with standard disciplinary procedures; this could include possible termination of employment in serious circumstances.

“For contractors who are found to have breached the guidance there may be consequences including non-renewal or termination of contract.”

I doubt they’ll do much but they could.

I know many SE, tilers, electricians, carpenters, plumbers etc.

They ve never been busier, are very well off.

Changes in tax rules affecting them have been bought in by the Tories NOT labour.

Can you point to these new rules Labour will bring in?

Aside, the UK has seen almost a 4 fold increase in millionaires since 2012, so i don't think excessive taxes are holding any of the self employed back.

😎 Thank you.