To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

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No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

All the loudmouths on Mumsnet banging on about how much they hate the Tories and Brexit in just about every single thread. Makes me want to vote for both just to rub salt into their wounds.

It is quite liberating knowing that the big policies that matter will be the same under both parties and that politics is just theatre for the masses.

I probably will vote for them (to try and get the Tories out) but I do think they have a problem with misogyny. How is it possible that they have never had a female leader?

Obviously TWAW but now it is the dishonesty about it as much as the policy itself.

1. The LP in Scotland voted to support the SNP’s bill and they are now back pedalling from that.
2. Starmer saying to Labour LGBT groups that Labour will “modernise” the GRA. If that means self-ID come out and say it.
3. Saying it is a “culture war” issue which is insulting to the many Labour women who have concerns about it. We aren’t all in the pay of the American right, thanks.

I hope that Labour has someone reading this thread! But unfortunately I doubt it will make a difference.

The handouts they give.

Previously labour created a nation who were often better off not working.

I want to vote Labour, but I'm struggling with TWAW, Starmer, Raynor, Lammy, and the general lack of inspiration and talent. I do have a Labour MP and she seems reasonable, but has kept quiet on the trans issue. I can understand that, but still find it off putting.

Their stance on what a woman is. Kier starmer is a drip. Their love of taxation on middle earners

Lifelong Labour voter… TWAW has made me politically homeless.

I'm Jewish.

Here's a question, Mumsnet. If Labour are so brilliant, as you all claim, why have governments mainly been Conservative over the years?

Are you so right and the nation so wrong? Is that why you (and the Guardian) all hate on the UK at every opportunity? Is it bitterness at you thinking you're so right (and loudly proclaiming it whenever you can) just to get your noses rubbed in it at election time?

I'd be interested to know how much political parties care about Mumsnet consensus on certain issues.

On the one hand, we get laughed at a lot and for some things, we deserve it because it is a bonkers place at times. On the other, we get mentioned a lot in the trans/women's rights debate. Usually in a negative way, but that's interesting because it means we are clearly seen as a threat. Why would people hold placards saying KEEP MUMSNET OUT OF POLITICS or tell women's rights activists not to be influenced by Mumsnet, if we really are utterly insignificant?

I'll never vote Tory, but I worry that Labour favour the unemployed/people on benefits.
I live in Wales where we have a Labour government, and it definitely feels like your average hard working person is seen as the 'villain'.
Our Labour government also screw up every single commercial opportunity that comes their way and would benefit the people of Wales. I fear there's a lack of pragmatism and commercial sense.
As such, I'll do my usual and vote Green or Lib Dem at the next election.

Are you a bit confused?
You are the first one to mention Brexit and most comments are about Labour and are negative
Might want to readjust your bot(ski) settings

It's the TWAW stance that will stop me from voting Labour.

The fact that they can’t win in my constituency is the main reason (even at the height of Blair’s powers labour we’re nowhere close here), but if they could then I would struggle to vote for them because of their stance on women’s rights (and the complete fence sitting of recent times by Keir) and their failure to have reform of the voting system as part of their manifesto.

Problem is if I want the Tories out (which I do) then I’d need to vote LD and they are a complete horror show on women’s rights & completely ballsed up the chance they had to reform the voting system.

I couldn't back them at the last election as the maths just didn't add up. You always get the same "commitments" from wannabe governments of "pump billions into the NHS, keep taxes low, put poor people first, strengthen out economy, provide affordable housing, make our streets safer" and what ever else happens to be the major issues at the time and the reality is the deadline for what ever they are going to achieve will take far longer then the 4 years as of corse they want to stay in power but labour's ideas were more far fetched then conservatives and they did themselves no favours with Diana Abbot and her awful maths. They made themselves look a laughing stock. Now I'm not convinced antisemitism has been stamped out within them and I think they are a threat to womens rights

Their misogyny. They’ll sell women out to pander to deluded males, happy to even put us in danger as long as it makes men happy. I don’t support the extreme left, just as I don’t support the extreme right.

I don’t think they mean just this thread though

I’m a Jewish woman. They’ve just about rehabilitated themselves for me ito antisemitism, but the TWAW nonsense seems entrenched.

I don't expect the political party I vote for to be perfect, or to perfectly align with my beliefs. Right now almost anyone would be better than the current shitshow, which is UKIP disguised as a government.

I will vote for Labour because they stand the best chance of getting the Tories out in this constituency. If I lived somewhere the LibDems or Greens would do better, I'd vote for them.

But ultimately, I generally like Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner, and I believe they have good intentions to try to fix some of the damage done by the Tories over the last decade. I desperately want more money to go to public services and to improve life overall for everyone. As a middle-earner I would happily pay more tax to achieve this.

Regarding the trans issue, I don't believe that many of the top people in Labour really believe that TWAW. They may say they do because anything else will get them accused of transphobia (which the right-wing press will run and run with), but I credit them with enough intelligence to know that it's not that simple and to make laws accordingly to protect women. I would also like to point out that all the problems so far have happened under a Tory government...

The hard left drive of recent years lead by Corbyn and co. The nasty anti-semitic undertones that everyone seems to ignore whilst loudly branding Tories 'nasty''. I had no faith that Labour post the 00s crash could run the economy. I think they're populist now and saying whatever they think will get young people to vote for them at the expense of women's rights.

However, now Corbyn and his horrible cronies are out and we have a more moderate shadow cabinet, with the current situation being so dire, I now think fuck it, what can they do that would be so much worse then the incumbent mob? I doubt (hope) they'd not really bother with any of the gender nonsense once the votes were in and that they'd struggle to pass it through parliament any way.

Hobson's choice.

I would vote labour but they don’t have a chance in my area. Lib Dem’s have a decent chance so I will tactically vote for them instead to avoid the tories.

If I lived somewhere Labour had a decent chance I’d vote for them, I don’t particularly support the Lib Dem’s.

same

TY. Where is that recent thread about bots and reading comprehension when you need it?

They are too broad a church and I’m unconvinced that Starmer has the left under control, plus they seem to spend too much time squabbling among themselves and not focusing on what the average person in UK is worried about vs what the toxic Twitterati are worried about. They should split on economic lines and I’d vote for the Blairite bit because despite wasting a parliament on fox hunting ( not a priority in anyone’s eyes) and the WMD debacle, Blair and Brown were generally quite pragmatic vs dogmatic and I think that’s what we need. I’m just not that convinced that Labour in its current form will actually make things better. But tbh I think the power of national governments in an increasingly globalised world is quite limited so I’m unconvinced of the ability of any government to solve some of the structural problems. I will probably vote Lib Dem.