To ask what stops you voting for Labour?

[Winniethepoohandtiggertoo]

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning…

For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Calling people bots and imaginary isn’t polite conversation. Did you mean a poster on here?

I couldn’t care less about swearing.

Sorry I just wanted to say it was nice to see your name again
That's all.

If I promise to be polite is it okay by you if I can stay?

If you don’t come onto a thread aimed at non Labour voters and call people imaginary bots then yeh you can stay 😀

@DancingDaughter50 Thanks. I'm very sorry for being snippy to you, I mean it. It's sometimes hard to gauge people's intentions. x

If you don’t come onto a thread aimed at non Labour voters and call people imaginary bots then yeh you can stay 😀

@MarshaBradyo It wasn't aimed at non Labour voters. Neither was it your job to police it, bot or not

Yes it is. There’s another thread aimed at non Tory voters.

And since you’ve give back to calling people bots feel free to do one.

You Labour voters can’t help but hang out on threads not for you. Labour bot or not.

@MarshaBradyo As a Labour voter who didn't vote Labour in 2019 but is going to in the next election I imagine my views would interest any Tory MP who didn't want to wake up the day after the next election thinking WTF? and clear out their desk Including my Tory MP.

But what do we know?

Ah yes it’s crucial you post on here not the one aimed at non Tory voters. Your fellow Labour voters are en masse somewhere else.

Tory free. You’d be happier and I would too.

@MarshaBradyo ignoring voters was how Labour was destroyed in 2019. But go ahead and knock yourself out.

I’m sure they’ll still find your posts on the other thread.

Didn’t realise this was supposed to be a Tory echo chamber.

I know people can’t help it, the posters are too interesting. They can’t avoid posting on a thread like this aimed at Tories when they could post on the Labour thread.

Where I’m sure no one is imaginary… or whatever they convince themselves.

I will never vote for them again considering most MPs tie themselves in knots rather than discuss what a woman actually is.

What other thread?

Same as this title but with Tory at the end. You’ll have to search

For people not voting Tory, free from imaginary posters presumably. Enjoy.

Nancy Kelley, CEO of Stonewall, was invited by David Evans to address all party staff in a zoom only this week, further contributing to misapprehensions which many staff still hold.

This is from a letter to Kier Starmer by the Labour Women’s Declaration whose request for a stall was rejected by K S last year- the most reasonable voices in the party snuffed, sadly.

He still hasn’t the faintest idea. Imagine getting further entrenched with this
widely criticised ideological lobby group. That is just so very lacking in thought in my opinion.
labourwomensdeclaration.org.uk/lwd-response-to-sir-keir-starmers-reply-to-constituents-about-sex-and-gender/

To bring some rationality back to the meaning of the Equality Act:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

I've enjoyed this thread too.

I'm still left of centre leaning and was (as pp) a former longstanding CLP member.

What I take from this thread is how the PLP still don't listen to the electorate.

Re: current CLP conduct (according to friends who've hung in there to fight from within) there is still a massive sense of self righteousness that's misplaced.

I mean in the sense that it's more important to hold on to every principle/ideology than to win, because you are "right" and the rest of the electorate just needs "educating".

What Smith and Blair realised was achieving some of your goals (by adopting a centre ground) was a far better proposition than achieving none of them by being out of power.

That's a very different position than Starmer is taking, though to be fair the changes to the membership made under Ed Milliband have definitely made this harder for any LP leader.

I don't think people understand how much the party mechanisms make a difference.

The Conservative MP's are far less beholden to their membership than their Labour peers and that membership (unlike Labour) is like fight club in its rules "Win, Win, Win" rather than "we are righteousness, we are good, we will assimilate you".

Momentum has a lot to answer for in destroying the LP as a credible opposition and as for the polls, it's early days, but I'm not betting on a Labour govt next GE.

Put simply I'm really angry I've been made politically homeless by a party I was a longtime member of and I'm not going to reward their treatment of me and many other women with a vote (unless I lived in Rosie Duffield's constituency).

I don't think I do.

In a couple of years there will be an election and we'll see how it turns out. I'm not telling people how to vote in it, just saying how I would.

I don't actually think the party we vote for makes a big difference in this country.
Yep, "it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in" as the saying goes.

Momentum has a lot to answer for in destroying the LP as a credible opposition and as for the polls, it's early days, but I'm not betting on a Labour govt next GE

This.

Put simply I'm really angry I've been made politically homeless by a party I was a longtime member of and I'm not going to reward their treatment of me and many other women with a vote (unless I lived in Rosie Duffield's constituency)

And this.

So many excellent posts here from smart women - it has made this thread a great read. (Trying to ignore the stupid de-rails from die hard Labour voters who seem to dislike intelligent debate).

Yes it was good. Whatever happens at next GE it’s good to know thoughtful political debate is possible on mn

Trying to ignore the stupid de-rails from die hard Labour voters who seem to dislike intelligent debate

Perhaps you could supply some examples because I haven’t seen them. The debate (apart from attempts to chase voices of dissent off the thread) has been measured and reasoned.

Focus on the murders men commit, its not a competition.