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Winniethepoohandtiggertoo · 2023-03-06T09:21:01+00:00

No agenda I’m just interested as Kier is on LBC this morning… For me it’s the TWAW magical thinking, and not being convinced they would prioritise average earners, which I want to happen.

Verv · 09/03/2023 13:57

TWAW.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/03/2023 14:05

#LabourLosingWomen seems to be trending on twitter, lots of screen shots of Labour's IWD poster with Izzard on it.

I'm politically homeless, I hope Labour can be talked back.

beguilingeyes · 09/03/2023 15:51

MarshaBradyo · 09/03/2023 12:58

The people you list are ex PMs and don’t have much sway. People predicting Johnson would wreck Windsor agreement but in the end he doesn’t have the party backing.

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Jo Johnson and Evgeny Lebedev are in the HOL for life, no matter who is in charge and the Brexit Headbangers that Johnson promoted are all still in the cabinet.
Rumour has it that his resignation honours list has 100 names on it including his father, which is appalling.

ScrollingLeaves · 09/03/2023 16:08

Rumour has it that his resignation honours list has 100 names on it including his father, which is appalling

Is there any chance of that being illegal?

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 16:12

Jo Johnson and Evgeny Lebedev are in the HOL for life, no matter who is in charge and the Brexit Headbangers that Johnson promoted are all still in the cabinet. Rumour has it that his resignation honours list has 100 names on it including his father, which is appalling.

@beguilingeyes So what? It's irritating but do you really think they can do anything?

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 16:14

And the Brexit headbangers aren't going to be the Cabinet forever, are they? Some of them have already been removed even under a Conservative government in their doomed attempt to appear normal.

GPTec1 · 09/03/2023 16:16

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 16:12

Jo Johnson and Evgeny Lebedev are in the HOL for life, no matter who is in charge and the Brexit Headbangers that Johnson promoted are all still in the cabinet. Rumour has it that his resignation honours list has 100 names on it including his father, which is appalling.

@beguilingeyes So what? It's irritating but do you really think they can do anything?

Well, clearly they can, because they could delay Sunaks immigration bill for months or let it through on the nod.

But if you think they have no power, get rid.

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2023 17:21

ScrollingLeaves · 09/03/2023 16:08

Rumour has it that his resignation honours list has 100 names on it including his father, which is appalling

Is there any chance of that being illegal?

Doubt it if he can give his brother a peerage.

twitterexile · 09/03/2023 17:22

May I add Jess Phillips adding Brianna Ghey to the list of murdered women she reads out in parliament? Not only legally dubious as we do not know that this child was murdered or that it was by a male since both a boy and girl are in custody for this crime, but also a male child is not a woman or a victim of femicide.

In this brave new world, women cannot even have a day to honour their deaths.

Phillips has made a grave misstep and set a terrible precedent. Labour must not get in to power.

twitterexile · 09/03/2023 17:25

And of course, children causing the deaths of other children (if this is what happened) is a very grave tragedy indeed.

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2023 17:31

I’m perfectly happy with that @twitterexile. It doesn’t detract from the reading out of the list in slightest.

twitterexile · 09/03/2023 17:32

I completely disagree. This child's death is a terrible, awful tragedy but it does not belong on this list.

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2023 17:42

I know you disagree. You said so.

Xenia · 09/03/2023 17:52

I have certainly not said the Tories (other than my Tory London council) have my views on the ULEZ issue - both main parties seem to want ordinary people to incur very high charges for eco reasons. I think Labour will be worse than the Tories but we shall see.

As for my own position to replace my volvo estate with a similar eco type car would cost tends of thousands and I run my cars for 15 years so will be stuck with the ULEZ at 4500 a year despite only doing 2500 miles a year unless the Tory councils are able to fight Khan on this.

GPTec1 · 09/03/2023 17:55

twitterexile · 09/03/2023 17:32

I completely disagree. This child's death is a terrible, awful tragedy but it does not belong on this list.

Its what she would have wanted and her family, as Phillips asked the family

I have huge issues with "live" Trans women in womens spaces inc prison but i don't have any issues with a dead person and their family wish.

Also Phillips does a heck of a lot highlighting the deaths of women in a domestic setting, incidentally, under the people you wish to remain in power, these murders are increasing.

GPTec1 · 09/03/2023 17:59

Xenia · 09/03/2023 17:52

I have certainly not said the Tories (other than my Tory London council) have my views on the ULEZ issue - both main parties seem to want ordinary people to incur very high charges for eco reasons. I think Labour will be worse than the Tories but we shall see.

As for my own position to replace my volvo estate with a similar eco type car would cost tends of thousands and I run my cars for 15 years so will be stuck with the ULEZ at 4500 a year despite only doing 2500 miles a year unless the Tory councils are able to fight Khan on this.

How would you clean up the UKs air quality?

It'll be the less well off, living in cities who will be breathing in this dirty air, the well off will be in the countryside or suburbs.

Don't you think you should bite the bullet and buy a better quality car with a ULEZ engine, you can easily afford it.

twitterexile · 09/03/2023 18:11

GPTec1 · 09/03/2023 17:55

Its what she would have wanted and her family, as Phillips asked the family

I have huge issues with "live" Trans women in womens spaces inc prison but i don't have any issues with a dead person and their family wish.

Also Phillips does a heck of a lot highlighting the deaths of women in a domestic setting, incidentally, under the people you wish to remain in power, these murders are increasing.

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So the list becomes meaningless as it is meant to be a list of women who have been victims of male violence.

twitterexile · 09/03/2023 18:12

Also Phillips does a heck of a lot highlighting the deaths of women in a domestic setting, incidentally, under the people you wish to remain in power, these murders are increasing

Ah the old not 'voting Labour so must be voting Tory crap again'. 🙄

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 19:15

So because Jess Phillips is an opportunist twat I shouldn't vote Labour? Just like I shouldn't vote Conservative because of Jacob Rees Mogg who really likes women by the way.

If this is what Tory bots are resorting to I'd have thrown in the towel in despair if I was a Tory strategist and get an easier job like persuading parents it was a good idea for their children to take up smoking..

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2023 19:21

Jess Philips isn’t an opportunist twat.

MarshaBradyo · 09/03/2023 19:23

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 19:15

So because Jess Phillips is an opportunist twat I shouldn't vote Labour? Just like I shouldn't vote Conservative because of Jacob Rees Mogg who really likes women by the way.

If this is what Tory bots are resorting to I'd have thrown in the towel in despair if I was a Tory strategist and get an easier job like persuading parents it was a good idea for their children to take up smoking..

Who are you calling a Tory bot?

May as we’ll be specific

Do we get to call Labour loyalists Labour bots too

Thelnebriati · 09/03/2023 19:47

@GPTec1 FYI, Jess Philips does not do the work of compiling the list of murdered women. She had no business changing the list.
Trans people who are murdered have their own list, and there are several days of remembrance for them that would have been more appropriate to use.
kareningalasmith.com/the-femicide-census/

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 19:48

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2023 19:21

Jess Philips isn’t an opportunist twat.

@Blossomtoes In your opinion. I reserve the right to hold my own about her and Stella Creasy and Wes Streeting too. Also David Lammy. But I'm still going to vote Labour at the next election whereas I didn't at the last one.

It's up to you how you vote. I'm sure you will make your own decision and not ones prompted by desperate Tories real or imagined on Mumsnet.

MarshaBradyo · 09/03/2023 19:50

limitedperiodonly · 09/03/2023 19:48

@Blossomtoes In your opinion. I reserve the right to hold my own about her and Stella Creasy and Wes Streeting too. Also David Lammy. But I'm still going to vote Labour at the next election whereas I didn't at the last one.

It's up to you how you vote. I'm sure you will make your own decision and not ones prompted by desperate Tories real or imagined on Mumsnet.

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And yet you all hang out on threads aimed at people not voting Labour

We can’t seem to get away from you.

Blossomtoes · 09/03/2023 19:51

Yes, in my opinion. No Tory could ever be desperate enough to persuade me to give them my vote. The one I’ve been married to hasn’t succeeded in 24 years.