To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

[flashbac]

This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

Agreed. "Ask me anything - except that"

Urgh, that was annoying. And given the depth of feeling, I actually thought the discussion was quite civil. Robust, but not abusive.

It's telling that the OP didn't just leave the thread, but asked to have it removed.

I did have to scroll up to check which thread this was after reading your comment.

It must’ve been very intense for the OP and I would’ve understood if she’d quietly backed away from the thread and gone back to her usual username.

But considering all the indepth responses and reference links, getting the whole thing pulled without warning is ‘not in the spirit’ (as Mumsnet would say).

Reposting this from the zapped thread - a quote from a gay chap on Twitter - I’ve removed his username because it’s a jokey one that some of our external mods will likely find offensive.

Anyway, I agree with him, the organisers of Caba Baba Rave don’t get to hide behind a magical shield of LGBTQIA2S++++++ Diversity, Inclusion IDPOL wokery.

A child safeguarding fail is a child safeguarding fail regardless of whether the stripper is male or female, whether they are homo, hetero or bi, or whether they have pronouns in their bios or not.

None of these people are appropriately dressed for a babies and toddlers event (and the organisers don’t enforce their own ‘under twos’ rule anyway).

Finally, a quick note to my fellow Heterosexual Wine Moms: if you really need to see a stranger’s arse cheeks, just get a babysitter, yeah?

There is another one in the feminism section, I think that one’s got more pics than this one (it’s nearly at the full 40 pages)

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4754259-caba-baba-rave-take-your-baby-to-watch-nearly-naked-men-in-fetish-gear?page=1

I’ve just realised that this outfit is Elsa from
Frozen inspired 😬 🤮

If Elsa wore suspenders and had her cockbulge on prominent display?

They use Comic Sans and abuse apostrophes. If I wasn't offended before, I fucking am now.

A baby has no idea what that is, it's no different from taking them to an 18 at baby cinema. I wouldn't take a toddler, in fact I wouldn't go full stop because drag isn't my thing, but this is very pearl clutchy.

So it's fine to take a baby to a strip club?

They have no idea what a blow job is but you wouldn't do that in front of them.

www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/sexual-offences

A child is defined as any person under the age of 18. Child sexual abuse involves forcing or inciting a child to take part in sexual activity, whether or not the child is aware of what is happening and not necessarily involving a high level of violence.

This may involve physical contact including rape or oral sex, or non-penetrative acts such as masturbation, kissing, rubbing and touching outside of clothing. They may also include non-contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or in the production of, sexual images, watching sexual activities, encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways, or exploiting or grooming a child in preparation for abuse (including via the internet) or prostitution. Child sexual abuse can be committed by both men and women, or other children.

@LittleGwyneth it's plenty different

Babies aren't interacting or being interacted with by performers. The mum and baby cinema screening's you just breastfeed baby while watching something at a lower volume without the lights dimmed as much. What they choose to show is also usually not very explicit or scary

Nobody is pushing for babies and kids to be made welcome at regular screenings either

This man is dressed as Elsa from Frozen, in a sequin glittery thong, at an event for babies and toddlers.

It's totally different from taking them to the cinema. Cinema is a passive activity theatre (depending on the play), panto, drag acts and this whole in your face performance are actively looking for audience participation.

I have no issues with the fact that they are men in drag and I find what they do amazing (personally) but I don’t see how it is suitable for babies !!

Why do you find it amazing?

Yeah you are right, you’d let your baby go down to a lap dancing club then? It’s completely different and surely you can see that if you take the cool mum glasses off for one moment. As others have said the idea of the baby cinema days are generally that the babies are asleep and that the parents can get to watch an adult film during the day. It’s in no way similar to bringing them to a live show w men dressed up as women doing the splits and twerking. And btw many people wouldn’t take their baby to see an 18 film either

Personally I really enjoy drag, I love the artistry, the vogueing

But I want it in clubs and venues that are for adults only

I suppose you can say to some of the babies, "Look darling, one day you too can wag your bits in other people's faces and push the boundaries of consent for exposing children to sexual performance art."

But only some of them will get to get excitingly away with this edgy thrill and self expressiveness. The others will continue to just be the props in it all. Role: to clap and validate.

ArabellaScott · Today 16:24

If Elsa wore suspenders and had her cockbulge on prominent display?

How do you know you're not misgendering Elsa, you absolute monster!

bugsinmybrain · Today 16:34

Babies aren't interacting or being interacted with by performers.

Well, apart from the crawling round right next to them, doing the splits right next to them, holding them, kissing them etc. Apart from all that, they didn't interact with the babies at all.

Shush now Sinner. Don't be be talking sense and everything

Do baby cinema events show 18 rated films? I never went to them but I would be wary about an 18 rated film, especially if the rating was due to violence, as I wouldn't want my baby to hear noises of aggression/fear/upset. That would be very different to a comedy or something that would go over a baby's head but just be sounds of talking and laughing or whatever.

In any case, I am pretty certain that during a baby cinema screening you don't hold your baby up to watch the screen, point things out to them, laugh and clap with them. Wouldn't you have the baby positioned facing away from the screen, possibly breastfeeding, or on your lap in such a way that they couldn't see the images if they were awake anyway? They'd just see the seats wouldn't they?

It doesn't seem to be comparable in any way.

Yup that was my point

It's very different to mum and baby cinema screenings where it might have an age rating due to language etc