To be upset that toddlers and babies are being subjected to this.

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This is abuse. What kind of parent takes their baby to a show like this?

There was more information posted about the offense, though, it would be good to see it again. I can't seem to find the exact same one.

I’ll be amazed if @summerhillgang reappears to defend their baseless transphobia allegations and veiled insinuations of homophobia but I could yet be surprised

It’s a reach to use carnivals, because a lot have family days - Notting Hill has Sunday when the Children’s Parade takes place.

So funnily enough, the organisers seem to think the very revealing costumes and suggestive dances should be on an entirely different day to the kids costumes and kids dances. Any idea why they think they should be kept separate?

None of the things you mentioned are particularly suitable for small children.

Obviously lots of people disagree with me because they still take their children.

They are free to do so. I'm free to judge accordingly.

Glastonbury issue a sensible warning, a bit like a tv content announcement.
They also have separate family camp areas, where all night partying isn’t allowed.

I wouldn’t take my kids to Glasto, I started going with my mates at 16 and in hindsight I wonder WTF my parents were thinking?

I wouldn’t want to take small babies to anything where crowd crush is a possibility- you can’t use a pram and a sling puts them in the danger zone. Maybe a high up back carrier would work but my eldest used to clap my ears in one of those so it got sent to a chazza pretty quick.

It's just interesting isn't it, that so many parents take their kids to these events - it must be tens of thousands every year. Glasto has absolutely loads of kids. I feel they are actually more unsafe... a toddler could be running around and pick up drugs fallen on the floor etc

I say to my kids “just because ‘everyone else’ is doing it, doesn’t make it ok or necessarily right for you”.

There are ‘child friendly’ parts to Glastonbury and there are a lot of unsuitable parts and sights. Naked people, heavily drugged up people, hideous toilets - there are all sorts there. I would definitely not take my small child and am not particularly impressed with parents that do.

Incidentally my teenagers went to a festival over the summer and there were a few families with small children there. There were a few times that the crowd surged and mosh pits formed and the kids were taken away in tears.

My teenagers took a dim view of those parents who put their young children in a potentially dangerous situation because they understand age appropriate activities for kids. It is strange that some adults don’t seem to get it.

'Sorry but isn't it slightly transphobic to label men dressed in feminine clothes as perverts and paedos?'

Well, no. Because the performers weren't just in feminine clothing were they, they were in thongs, latex and stripper heels. The men and the women.

Why does transphobic and homophobia keep being thrown into this? Why is it that that it's all some posters want to come and shout at us about?

This is about ADULTS of unknown sexuality and gender performing sexual acts in front of CHILDREN.

If some of the people involved are gay or lesbians or bisexual or trans or shag donkeys on their days off it is beside the point.

This is about a society that is failing to safeguard children properly.

The fact that some of the performers are wearing dresses and make-up whilst being male is irrelevant. We are questioning their intentions not because of those facts but because any adult that thinks doing adult routines in front of babies should be first in line when the police start checking hard drives.

It's all the other shit that's the main problem with this shit show!

Bc the rainbow community is the Trojan horse picked so nobody dares point out the obvious

As someone who isn't heterosexual- I wish they'd fuck off and stop destroying the last 20 years of progress and people inside and outside would wake the fuck up

bugsinmybrain · Today 22:58
Bc the rainbow community is the Trojan horse picked so nobody dares point out the obvious

As someone who isn't heterosexual- I wish they'd fuck off and stop destroying the last 20 years of progress and people inside and outside would wake the fuck up

It is a Trojan horse and the umbrella term LHBTQ+ is nonsense imo. DQSH is particularly destructive.

Have you seen this? In fact it isn’t just single sex spaces that are affected but provisions for same sex attracted men and women and their protections under the Equality Act too.
twitter.com/bindelj/status/1633045053164617729
www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4758082-petition-to-update-the-equality-act-thread-3

Overthinkingnotdrinking · Today 19:16

Baby on your left arm, G&T in your typing hand?

😃

Fgs please stop with the 'homosexual people do weird and inappropriately sexual things and involve others' shit.

No. That is an inappropriate muppet with poor boundaries thing. Not a gay thing. Most gay people manage to get through their entire lives without pushing their bits in the faces of babies and calling it art and self expression.

Do you understand the difference between transphobia and safeguarding?

Do you understand that just because someone has a trans identity doesn’t mean they can dress in BDSM gear or in a thong only and do sexual moves in front of babies or children?

Do you understand that the % of male people in general who are ‘pervs and paedos’ to use your term os going to be at least the same % of male people with a trans identity being ‘pervs and paedos’?

”What evidence is there that the performers at this event specifically are either of those things?”

What evidence? Well because perverts and paedos don’t wear signs, most adults would understand that taking your baby or child to see sexualised performances is both potentially putting their child in direct or non-direct contact with the people you describe. And will lower the sexual boundaries of the child to make it hard for that child to understand that they should know it is wrong for them to be exposed to sexualised performances in the first place and make them easier to access for those who wish them harm.

So, without a sign, adults then look to a person’s conduct.

What is it about these adults doing sexualised performances in front of any aged child that is not ringing alarm bells for you? If an adult doesn’t understand they should not be performing this way in front of any aged child in the first place, that there is a red flag? That adult has either no or very low sexual boundaries.

And you seem ok with them doing sexualised performance in front of a child of any age.

Meaning you also don’t seem to recognise the sexual boundaries of children and it may be due to you having low sexual boundaries yourself.

Otherwise why even hint that discussion about this is ‘transphobic’?

I agree with this. I have never seen any of my gay friends in a thong 🤷‍♀️ It's clearly a pervert thing and those "artists" need to be looked at by the police.

The lazy use of ‘transphobic’ is also being used at the moment to silence discussion on Jeffrey Marsh and Marsh’s videos, including the Patreon one that was about Marsh’s sex life as something supposed to be illustrative of trust and acceptance. That Patreon is where Marsh directed all the ‘kids’ who Marsh encouraged to go nc with their parents, telling them that Marsh will love them no matter what and that Marsh will be their family.

Right now accusations of ‘transphobia’ are being used in an attempt to silence discussions.

And we are seeing it here on this thread and others like it about these events. People who cannot recognise their own lowered sexual boundaries attempting to shame those with their sexual boundaries high enough to recognise harm .

Very peculiar and worrying.
Why anyone would think this suitable for small children I have no idea.
I am disturbed that people try to justify it. In the need to be seen to be liberal common sense has flown out of the window. But scarily so.

This is some weird liberal parenting supporting the TQ+ ideology. It’s utterly vile and those parents should be ashamed of themselves for exposing their children to this shit show.

It isn't parenting. It's entirely about the parents.

If you want a more "grown up" baby session, you can have singers and elegant aerial hoop/aerial silks performances in the same skill set as that act, but not sexualised and entirely appropriate for a young audience.

It does trans people a massive disservice too, as if all trans people are displaying themselves to children so to think that's not ok is transphobic I'm quite sure most trans people also think this is just totally inappropriate!