To think this woman should not be put in prison?

[Nooyoiknooyoik]

Bizarre and very unfair Link

It was the prosecution’s case, supported by CCTV and witness testimony, that AG struck or attempted to strike CR.

You might like to read that again.

“He said that you and Mrs Ward appeared to have come to a halt in front of each other and you made a lateral sweeping movement with your left arm which was directed at Mrs Ward. He said “it either made contact or she recoiled and fell”.”

And again, AG did not deny the above account.

Tell you what. If you have spotted a miscarriage of justice here that bypassed the judge and all counsel who were actually in court, then contact Grey's barrister, Miranda Moore KC. She's with 5 Paper Buildings chambers and you can reach them on [email protected] or 020 7583 6117.It's the only constructive thing you can do. Don't waste your time telling us. Tell Ms Moore.

Which is something completely different to what you wrote.

@BrigitteBond

I hope you reflect on your posts when you're feeling less combative and realise how you're coming across so you don't carry this energy with you everywhere you go.

Yes, well, it's also a fact that she wouldn't be dead if she hadn't left the house, or if she'd been in a car, or if aliens had abducted her at the start of the road. Unfortunately, here we are, and it was Grey's assault that actually killed her, so there we go.

If you won't stop victim blaming out of respect for the dead, if you won't stop it out of consideration for the people who knew and loved her, if you won't stop because it's just a complete waste of time...stop because whether you realise it or not, you are embarrassing yourself.

She did comply with “the rules”. If she hadn’t been treated to a display of aggression from a pedestrian she wouldn’t be dead. And you are victim blaming.

Thank fuck, the relentless vitriol is being deleted.

Tell you what. If you have spotted a miscarriage of justice here that bypassed the judge and all counsel who were actually in court, then contact Grey's barrister, Miranda Moore KC. She's with 5 Paper Buildings chambers and you can reach them on [email protected] or 020 7583 6117.It's the only constructive thing you can do. Don't waste your time telling us. Tell Ms Moore.

Good idea.

@BrigitteBond you should definitely call them up and let them know that cyclist had no right to be on the pavement and should have followed the Highway Code.

They need to know.

Absolutely, abhorrent poster.

Genuinely one of the most unpleasant posters to be on here recently. Gleefully victim blaming.

I'm glad MN deleted a number of the posts in question.

I hope it encourages the PP to reflect on their lack of compassion and inability to make a point without victim blaming.

It’s entirely understandable that some people would be whipped up by the initial media reporting, or having seem only the abridged BBC version of the footage, and spring to AG’s defence.

However, even some of AG’s most full-throated defenders from early on in the thread have completely u-turned upon seeing additional video.

We now also have the benefit of some summarized witness evidence, making abundantly clear that this was an incontrovertible assault. One that even AG herself did not contest.

It is sickening and alarming to see the depths that her one or two remaining supporters will sink to to justify this case of manslaughter.

However, even some of AG’s most full-throated defenders from early on in the thread have completely u-turned upon seeing additional video.

I don't think I've seen this. Could you please link it?

Its the same flippen video with their ideas added to it.

The one that sprung to mind was ShakespearesBlister - see her post on page 28 of the below thread.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/to-think-auriol-grey-being-jailed-is-not-appropriate?page=28

There was at least one other but I’m not going to look through the 110+ pages over the 3 threads to find them!

I wasn't making a comment on the case, but the fact she touched Mrs Ward hasn't been widely publicised so I was responding to the OP.

Read the thread!

steff13 · Today 17:55

^ScrollingLeaves · Today 16:59
Anyone would think that throughout history every trial, judge and jury has come up with a faultless verdict.^

There have been a lot of ‘Don’t you think….’ threads along those lines.

It will be interesting to see if an appeal is allowed.

Cambridge Council’s Highways and Transport have a lot to answer for too imo

No one thinks juries are perfect. But any reasonable person can accept that the jury had access to all the evidence and testimony and made a decision accordingly. It's not reasonable to question based on snippets we've heard from the press.

Well you are right in a sense, but I‘ve been on a jury. I heard a judge give a direction of “surely….” I thought was misplaced. I heard a witness statement that was really second hand about the case because a policeman had written it. I’ve experienced how a jury had to rely on memory and notes not a transcript of a complex trial so far etc. I don’t for a minute think every jury gets all the evidence there is, they get what was available. I have already mentioned some notorious verdicts by judges who were very wrong.

But all this is not so much about AG, but just my objection to a blanket statement about how thorough and fair trials are.

It is even known that a verdict can be different in tone depending on whether a judge is getting hungry.

Someone here posted a very helpful video by a lawyer explaining that neither he nor the public has seen the full video of the accident, but showing the one we all have seen.

He explained that, whether AG actually hit the poor dead woman or not ( it looks as though she did in some form ) if it is enough to cause the cyclist to flinch or veer and get killed, then that is enough for the charge of manslaughter.

To me it seems clear AG’s behaviour caused the other poor woman to fall into the road. What I am wondering about is AG’s mental capacity from what I saw. Her barrister is seeking an appeal so apparently she too may not think it seems quite right.

The lawyer on the video explaining the video of the accident, did also say that that path is dangerously narrow for a cyclist and pedestrian, that it isn’t known if it was a shared path, and that the City Council is seriously looking into what can be done to make that part of the road safer.

Looks like an accident to me. It looks like she was gesturing her to move and happened to catch her. She then fell. Tragic case. I thought she had learning disabilities as well given the woman fell and the woman didn't even stop to help but it appears there is no reference to this despite the fact that there can be a strong link with cerebral palsy.

When you think that in the context drivers whom have deliberately punched someone with one punch and received a lesser sentence, drunk drivers, those driving at speed causing death or a paedophile have received lesser sentences.

@ScrollingLeaves (and not expecting you to know this!) So if the lawyer is attempting to appeal on account of lack capacity/diminished responsibility, am assuming they will not be expecting AG to be released back to the community as she's a risk to safety of the public?

Looks like an accident to me. It looks like she was gesturing her to move and happened to catch her. She then fell.

(1) There is more video footage than that, that has been shown in court. This is just the video made available to the press and public.

(2) The aggressor has admitted (eventually) that she made contact with the victim, ie touched her.

(3) The aggressor is well-known in her local area for swearing at cyclists, both adults and children, and has been previously warned about this behaviour by the police.

(4) She lied in her police interview.

(5) She showed no remorse. Until in court, wanting to get off her charges, of course.

Looks like an accident to me.

An accident would be Grey attempting to move over to allow Mrs Ward to pass, misjudging the distance and unintentionally bumping her. Or dropping her bag, again unintentionally, and Mrs Ward losing control after riding into it.

Whatever happens after you march up to someone, deliberately getting close and swiping at them, it isn't an accident. Unintended consequences alone don't make something accidental.

If Auriol Grey had followed rule 13 in the Highway Code, this would not have happened.

1/ A person at the scene told her to leave so she did.

2/ Maybe light contact.

The cyclist past her at the kerb side. That is not standing in her way!

She did not push or swipe her on that video no matter how many times ppl post it here.

the City Council is seriously looking into what can be done to make that part of the road safer.

It’ll be looking a long time because it’s under the jurisdiction of Cambridgeshire County Council which has increased the safety by putting up four signs.