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To think this woman should not be put in prison?

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Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:31

Bizarre and very unfair Link

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Youcancallmeirrelevant · 02/03/2023 15:49

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:40

Yes. It was an accident.

I thought this until i saw the footage, the woman was being aggressive and waving her arms, i'm not supriaed the woman on the bike swerved

sweeneytoddsrazor · 02/03/2023 15:49

If she pushed her and she ended up dead as a result of that push then it is manslaughter.

RunningFromInsanity · 02/03/2023 15:50

Kois · 02/03/2023 15:45

Shouldn't have been on the pavement.

Part of that path is a shared use path, for cyclists and pedestrians. Even the Police and the court couldn’t figure out whether that specific section was shared or just a footpath so it’s unlikely the cyclist could have known either.

Blort · 02/03/2023 15:51

ancientgran · 02/03/2023 15:45

Considering the judge seems to refer to road users when the incident was a pavement and states it was a cycle path when the police and council can't confirm that I don't have great confidence in his judgement.

Looks nothing like a cycle path

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JackiePlace · 02/03/2023 15:52

Chevyimpala67 · 02/03/2023 15:38

Have you seen the footage?

I saw the footage. She pointed to the road as she was shouting "get the f* off the pavement". She didn't "shove" the cyclist or otherwise make a threatening gesture toward the cyclist.
The cyclist was the one who was supposed to be in control of the vehicle she was riding. The accident was the fault of the cyclist.

Blort · 02/03/2023 15:52

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 02/03/2023 15:49

I thought this until i saw the footage, the woman was being aggressive and waving her arms, i'm not supriaed the woman on the bike swerved

The video is not conclusive that she pushed the woman though.

Dinoswearunderpants · 02/03/2023 15:53

Absolutely deserves to be sent to prison. Her actions resulted in a death. Yes, it was direct actions, but it goes to show that actions have consequences.

JackiePlace · 02/03/2023 15:53

sweeneytoddsrazor · 02/03/2023 15:49

If she pushed her and she ended up dead as a result of that push then it is manslaughter.

She didn't push the cyclist. She pointed toward the road.

Youcancallmeirrelevant · 02/03/2023 15:54

Blort · 02/03/2023 15:52

The video is not conclusive that she pushed the woman though.

I didn't say she pushed her. I said she waasacting aggressively and swearing, and the woman on the bike was trying to avoid her and ended up in the road. That poor driver as well who hit her and couldn't do anything about it

WiIson · 02/03/2023 15:54

She caused the death of someone through aggressive careless behaviour. And then instead of waiting with the person she had caused to fall in front of a car, she went off and did her shopping.

She absolutely does deserve to be in prison.

ghostyslovesheets · 02/03/2023 15:55

Blort · 02/03/2023 15:44

I dont understand it.

Just recently the parents whp left their 16 year old child to die infested with maggots were "only" convicted of gross negligence.

The boys who pushed a firework into a pensioners house so she died in a house fire - manslaughter

Walking on a pavement as a disabled woman and telling off a cylist - manslaugter?

In light of other convictions for manslaughter (which is often negotiated down from murder) I just cant see it.

it's evidence and proof of intent - it's not hard to understand

The law operates on evidence - not gut instinct or moral outrage

The parents in that case (I don't know all the facts) may not have realised she was going to die and I believe have learning needs themselves - that's for the law to decide - hence the charge (not enough evidence for murder/manslaughter)

Boys putting fireworks through a letter box - I'm guessing did not do so intending to kill someone - hence no evidence to support a murder charge

Woman pushes someone in front of fast moving traffic - did not intend her to die - so not murder - but her actions lead to her death - hence manslaughter

Thankfully we have a legal system not based on outrage

ReformedWaywardTeen · 02/03/2023 15:55

I think it's disgusting and if the cyclist had of been a younger person nothing would have come of it and it would've been death by misadventure.
She had no helmet on and was cycling at speed on a pavement, with no apparent shared use or cycle path, she came at a woman who was partially sighted.
I think there should be an outcry, the cyclist was at fault, she was going to fast and swerved to avoid a pedestrian. If she had of had a helmet on she would've survived.

The justice system in this country never ceases to amaze me at how it's totally heavy handed in some cases and overly lenient in others.

FourFour · 02/03/2023 15:55

ghostyslovesheets · 02/03/2023 15:35

Well that's for the jury and judge to decided - those who have all the facts of the case

but IMO she caused someone's death and then walked away so yeah she needs to be dealt with accordingly

MN is odd really - baying for blood over some things and expressing puzzlement over others

Expressing puzzlement when it's a woman. Baying for blood when it's a man.

JenniferBarkley · 02/03/2023 15:56

Cyclists on the pavement infuriate me and I'm able bodied with full vision. I don't think this is right, the cyclist is the one who was in the wrong here (although obviously she didn't deserve to die for it!).

Its2amimustbelonely · 02/03/2023 15:56

But why didn't the cyclist stop? If she was approaching someone causing a scene or blocking her way, then surely she should have braked?

sweeneytoddsrazor · 02/03/2023 15:56

JackiePlace · 02/03/2023 15:53

She didn't push the cyclist. She pointed toward the road.

I haven't seen it but plenty of other posters on the other thread say she did. Thats why I said if.

ghostyslovesheets · 02/03/2023 15:56

or baying for blood if it involves a child or a pensioner

IHaveaSetOfVeryParticularSkills · 02/03/2023 15:56

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:40

Yes. It was an accident.

Lots of deaths are "accidents" which are caused by behaviour of others... There should be absolutely a punishment especially since she is not showing any remorse....

AllWorkYoPlait · 02/03/2023 15:57

Kois · 02/03/2023 15:45

Shouldn't have been on the pavement.

So she should've been forced under a car? Even if she was in the wrong, I don't think causing her death is quite the right solution, is it? There was room for them both.

What did this woman imagine would happen when she stuck herself in the path of an oncoming cyclist, next to a busy road? Either she was gonna get hit by the bike, or the bike was gonna to get hit by a car. Cyclist reacted like most people do when an obstacle suddenly appears in their way and she tried to avoid hitting her. If it was an accident then she would've been horrified and stayed to help. She didn't give a shit.

ShimmeringShirts · 02/03/2023 15:57

Anyone that can cause the death of another person and be so sociopathic that they bugger off to do their shopping while that person was on the ground dying absolutely deserves to be in prison. She may not have intended to cause the death of another but her actions directly led to that death and there should very rightly be consequences in place for it. She didn’t give a shit and expressed no remorse, even when she did it was only because she realised how utterly cold and heartless she came across. Trying to blame it on a disability that has nothing to do with the way she acted is outrageous too.

ClaraThePigeon · 02/03/2023 15:57

If she had of had a helmet on she would've survived.

How in hell would she have survived a car crushing her chest with a helmet on? She died of severe chest injuries

drpet49 · 02/03/2023 15:58

TrombonesAreNotBones · 02/03/2023 15:35

From that BBC article kinked in the OP:

Sentencing Grey, Judge Enright said she was "territorial about the pavement" and "resented" the cyclist being there.
The trial heard Grey had cerebral palsy and was partially sighted, but the judge said: "These actions are not explained by disability."
He said that she had given a "dishonest account in interview" and there was "not a word about remorse until today".
Judge Enright added that "consideration of other road users is the lesson of this tragic case".

So yes, I feel the sentence is sound.

This. Her actions led to the death of a woman.

BabychamGlass · 02/03/2023 15:58

Well the judge and jury thought differently based on the evidence.

It's a reminder I suppose, that a moment of madness, just a flash of temper in road rage, pavement rage etc can have devastating consequences- one woman dead, one woman scarred for the rest of her life for being the driver of the car that hit, and one woman facing prison.

pointythings · 02/03/2023 15:59

I used to work in Huntingdon and I know that road. It's incredibly dangerous for cyclists. Colleagues of mine have been hit by cars, fortunately not with serious effects but still.

The rational thing would have been to stand aside, not act aggressively. I have no quarrel with this sentence at all.

ReneBumsWombats · 02/03/2023 15:59

Nooyoiknooyoik · 02/03/2023 15:40

Yes. It was an accident.

She didn't intend for the cyclist to die - the charge was manslaughter. But you can't go causing an obstruction and effectively forcing someone to swerve by a busy road and not understand how dangerous that is.

An accident would have been her not seeing the cyclist, being partially sighted, and the cyclist trying to avoid her and going into the road. Coming at the cyclist aggressively and trying to force her off side is not an accident, it's dangerous, reckless behaviour that caused the worst possible result.

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