To think Auriol Grey being jailed is not appropriate.

Cerebral palsy is brain damage. It can cause brain damage depending on the type and severity of brain injury. But AG didn’t have an intellectual/learning disability

*sorry, meant it can cause intellectual/leaning disability

People stating that she has an intellectual disability (learning disability in the UK) when the judge said she didn’t.

It's just that as humans, from infancy, we can look at another person and know from their face that they are not quite right. And looking at her face, I find it impossible to believe she doesn't have some cognitive impairment.

Autism/LD’s don’t suddenly make you above the law. If she had been found to have either of those things she’s still caused someone’s death and ruined the life of the driver, my heart breaks for that lady driving the car that day.

But they’ve stated she had no LD’s or autism, so therefore I’ll take it as it appears and just think she’s an absolutely foul human being

People stating that she has an intellectual disability (learning disability in the UK) when the judge said she didn’t

I think it's because the judge's comments acknowledged the witness statements that said she was 'childlike' and had 'cognitive impairments'. People have run with that and ignored the 'no learning difficulties and these actions are not explained by disability' bit. The cognitive impairments could be absolutely anything, from incredibly mild to severe, but because there's no clarity in the reporting, people are filling in the gaps.

So she might have undiagnosed ND/LDs, or she might just be a bit of an immature, petulant arsehole and people are assuming that's because of ND/LDs.

@BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs well said.

It seems to be a race to the bottom for some people... they see that other dreadful crimes have received low sentences and want this one reduced, rather than recognising that other criminals should probably have received tougher sentences.

It's shameful to want to make excuses, or find 'reasons' why AG chose to behave as she did. Particularly when people spout ASD or learning difficulties - what an insult to the thousands of people who genuinely do have these diagnoses and wouldn't in a million years cause someone else to suffer a frightening, painful death.

Yet the psychometric assessments showed otherwise.

Mayne your “not quite rightness” radar is triggering for her being a horrible human?

Given the fact she’s estranged from her mother, and her now deceased sister, has no friends and neighbours reportedly say they often heard shouting and swearing from her flat I’d probably think she is just a vile person.

@TheYearOfSmallThings well thank heavens it's the judge who had access to numerous reports from specialists about AG who was in charge of sentencing.

Not you, after watching a 15 second CCTV clip and concluding that something 'isn't quite right'

I highly doubt she’ll have undiagnosed anything, there will have been a thorough psychometric assessments. There’s a distinction many people don’t appreciate between cognitive challenges/weaknesses and frank intellectual disability.

I have a job where I review a lot of cognitive assessments and as a pp pointed out 50% of people have below average intelligence. Within their profiles there may be issues with say, cognitive proficiency, or verbal reasoning, or whatever. These cognitive “issues” are NOT the same as an intellectual/learning disability and don’t absolve someone from criminal responsibility.

Yeah well you would and so many others here too 🙄 she lead a very sad life and deserves pity not nastiness.

I agree she’s actually just a poorly socialised petulant arsehole.

Given the fact she’s estranged from her mother, and her now deceased sister, has no friends and neighbours reportedly say they often heard shouting and swearing from her flat I’d probably think she is just a vile person.

She may be vile but does that sound like a high functioning cognitively tip-top person who is living a gleefully malicious life? Or someone who has something wrong with them (probably from birth) and lives a miserable and angry life?

I'm not saying she shouldn't do some prison time, just that she clearly is not quite right.

So what does make somebody just an arsehole then, in your view?

As a bit of an aside (because a couple of posters have said AG has autism, even though there's no evidence of a diagnosis) IME people with autism tend to be very honest. Not always, but often. They report things as they happened. They don't lie.

AG lied on her police interviews. That shows an understanding that what she did was wrong and an attempt to manipulate the situation. Presumably at this point she didn't know the incident had been captured on CCTV. She lied. If she'd been honest about her actions it could have saved the family and the car driver the added trauma of a trial.

AG caused the death of another human being. That's rightly been recognised and she's being punished.

@nolongersurprised
I don't disagree with you at all. I was just trying to explain where I think the narrative that she does have LDs or some sort of ND has come from, because it has been pushed quite heavily in the last couple of days, despite several of us pointing out the judge explicitly said she had no LDs and her actions were not explained by disability.

”Not quite right” doesn’t absolve you from criminal responsibility though.

She doesn’t have an intellectual/learning disability and she wasn’t mentally unwell (absolutely both factors would be explored) so knows right from wrong and is therefore criminally responsible.

But this is where the leap towards ‘everyone who isn’t happy, intelligent, sociable and kind is neurodiverse’ leads 🤷🏼‍♀️ Letting people off the hook for their shitty behaviour. It’s like we can no longer quite believe someone can just be an in likeable arsehole, especially if they’re female.

I was actually agreeing with you as well! Just expanding on things, I know a lot about psychometric testing.

In fact I know somebody who is very much like
how AG appears. He’s a nasty bully who has gone through life intimidating and shouting at people. He’s got no friends and his family don’t want to have much to do with him. He’s been trying for a while to get himself diagnosed as ND, because I think he thinks that will ‘explain why nobody likes him’.

The truth is nobody like him because he’s a nasty arsehole 🤷🏼‍♀️

Not you, after watching a 15 second CCTV clip and concluding that something 'isn't quite right

Yes, I know .

But I also know - and although it is barely relevant here I do actually have a degree and masters in psychology (and from a RG university too ) that from infancy humans can recognise aberration in other humans. And that a lot of the diagnostic criteria are only seeking to break down and record what the human brain can instantly recognise.

Ok I will admit that I've had a real problem with this case because every video I have seen is so heavily edited (for obvious reasons) that you just can't tell if any physical contact actually occurred, but I have just seen a much less heavily edited version of the video.

Although a section is still removed because it's too graphic, you can clearly see if you zoom in that she did physically shove the cyclist causing her to fall into the road. Even slightly out of frame you can still see the physical shove clearly happened.

This changes everything for me and I take back any doubts I may have previously had. Let me have it ladies. I'm sorry.

AG deserves to be punished for what she did. Her actions did lead to the death of the cyclist and her aggressive behaviour both before and after the act was utterly appalling.

Having now seen the encounter on video much more clearly, I just can't see how anything other than a custodial sentence would have been appropriate. She ended a life in the most horrific way without the slightest scrap of feeling or empathy for what she had just witnessed and carried on her way like nothing had happened.

www.dailymotion.com/video/x8iqepl

@TheYearOfSmallThings as you say, it's not relevant. Not are my qualifications!

What's relevant is the actual evidence presented to the court

Yes, that post is awful, as well as aggravatingly pompous

I can just imagine the poster as a child standing in front of their bedroom mirror dressed up to the nines in their mums black cardigan and a mop head pinched from under the sink practicing for the day they’re up at the Old Bailey.

Maybe you’re recognising her sociopathic traits?

I agree people - women and girls especially - are good at subconsciously recognising when something is amiss. I tell my daughters if they get creepy vibes from boys and men to disengage immediately. None of this #bekind shit if their instincts are telling them otherwise.

It’s a stretch to claim you can which particular disorder someone may may not have by looking at a picture of them.