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To worry about how right wing...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 20:38

...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

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Piggywaspushed · 12/02/2023 21:44

MN is an actual cesspit tonight.

Perfect28 · 12/02/2023 21:45

@Mummysgogetter we know that migrants have net economic benefit to the country? For me the real conversation to be had is why do we insist on demonising, scapegoating and othering migrants and refugees even in the face of this fact.

thehorsehasnowbolted · 12/02/2023 21:46

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 21:40

Do you know them @thehorsehasnowbolted?

You haven't answered my question as to whether you find some mobs acceptable but not others.

What do you think of the mob that turned up a the Thomas Knyvett College wearing paramilitary gear?

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 21:49

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You see I don't see this as either or. No girls or women should be harassed by men. No one should have to worry about a violent mob turning up because they share their race, religion or address with someone who harassed girls.

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Piggywaspushed · 12/02/2023 21:53

Just say what you mean horse. We see you.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 21:56

thehorsehasnowbolted · 12/02/2023 21:46

You haven't answered my question as to whether you find some mobs acceptable but not others.

What do you think of the mob that turned up a the Thomas Knyvett College wearing paramilitary gear?

Do you have a link?

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Piggywaspushed · 12/02/2023 22:00

No, she won't do that. She is trying to 'catch you out'.

PandoraRocks · 12/02/2023 22:00

@JoonT brilliant post👏. The truth people refuse to hear.

HettyMeg · 12/02/2023 22:00

Far right extremism is the fastest growing threat to the UK's security so you're not being unreasonable.

Piggywaspushed · 12/02/2023 22:01

PandoraRocks · 12/02/2023 22:00

@JoonT brilliant post👏. The truth people refuse to hear.

I don't refuse to hear it. I just know it's grade A bollocks.

Piggywaspushed · 12/02/2023 22:11

HettyMeg · 12/02/2023 22:00

Far right extremism is the fastest growing threat to the UK's security so you're not being unreasonable.

Well, unless you are the government and appoint a prominent right winger to your 'enquiry' to tell you it isn't after all.

LexMitior · 12/02/2023 22:20

@Piggywaspushed - I get your anger, but are you surprised? I mean, very little has changed in the last 40 years in the UK. There is lots of media chatter about diversity and anti racism , but that doesn't mean anything, does it? Periodically I see the same warmed over words from a government of any kind, right or left.

I don't see this changing. Unless people feel less poor, whereupon they will be less motivated to listen to racists

MarshaBradyo · 12/02/2023 22:23

It’s not the U.K. in particular, in fact we may shift left at next GE as other countries go to the right.

Either way both parties will go with Brexit and would like those voters.

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 22:26

I think we are complacent to think very little has changed in the last 40 years in the UK. The world has changed a lot. We have had a technological revolution. While the internet is brilliant on loads of levels, it has made it easier to stir hatred and organise violence.

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LexMitior · 12/02/2023 22:31

Come on, the internet is the medium. The message is as old as time.

You can get whole societies gripped by racial theory. You just need to them poor and desperate enough.

Piggywaspushed · 12/02/2023 22:38

Marshall McLuhan famously said 'The medium is the message'

I don't know what he meant either...

ConcordeOoter · 12/02/2023 22:39

It could do with being less left wing to be honest.

At the moment when women are raped, children are abused, anyone at all is killed and the perpetrators are of a protected class or one of their own, the kneejerk reaction of the authorities is to cover it up - protect the perpetrators and put the frighteners on the victims. This also then extends to protecting their own. The press absolutely follow suit.

No comment on Liverpool, but left wing people in authority are absolutely getting people hurt and they do nothing but threaten when people cry out for fairness or even a bit of help.

Consufed · 12/02/2023 22:41

Centre right and centre left are not extreme. Far right and far left both can be equally dangerous.

HRTQueen · 12/02/2023 22:57

Society is certainly more divided since Brexit and now that people are really struggling it only takes a few to tap into the anger people feel and who is the easy target it’s as old as time it’s not excusing why anyone has done what they did they are responsible but so are those that fuel the fire and it for those that have power to deal with racist attacks swiftly and severely

The growth of right wing sentiment does not necessarily mean the Tories will stay in power or more will vote Tory many Labour voters have right wing views Labour have just chosen to ignore this

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 23:39

@ConcordeOoter I am all for rapists and abusers being prosecuted whoever they are and I'm a Left wing feminist who is raging at the state of our policing and justice system.

A violent mob chanting "Get Them Out" is a right wing anti foreigner sentiment. It has nothing to do with protecting women and children.

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QueueEtwo · 12/02/2023 23:45

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 23:39

@ConcordeOoter I am all for rapists and abusers being prosecuted whoever they are and I'm a Left wing feminist who is raging at the state of our policing and justice system.

A violent mob chanting "Get Them Out" is a right wing anti foreigner sentiment. It has nothing to do with protecting women and children.

Absolutely! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

C4tastrophe · 13/02/2023 07:01

TooBigForMyBoots · 12/02/2023 23:39

@ConcordeOoter I am all for rapists and abusers being prosecuted whoever they are and I'm a Left wing feminist who is raging at the state of our policing and justice system.

A violent mob chanting "Get Them Out" is a right wing anti foreigner sentiment. It has nothing to do with protecting women and children.

Why can’t it be left wing anti-foreigner protesters?
Not wanting the local hotel full of asylum seekers is not exclusive to right or left wing thinkers.
Brexit only got through because of support of the left/Labour ( who are over the moon that they got Brexit while the Tories take the rap ).

Domino20 · 13/02/2023 10:37

thehorsehasnowbolted · 12/02/2023 21:36

Cancel culture have cost people jobs. So yes, it is akin to violence in most sane people's books

No, it really isn't.

ElliF · 13/02/2023 10:37

The ‘right wing’ journalists are at it again...
15 yo girl (allegedly) raped at school in Dover. Four afghan boys arrested, three for holding her down and acting as lookout, and one for the rape. Of course this could all be misreporting and false allegations against these gentlemen. We know how all you socialists like to cherrypick your viewpoints on the world, and how anything that does not confirm to your little paradigm is ‘right wing’ extremism and ‘right wing’ propaganda. Let’s hope the locals don’t do anything about his. I wouldn’t want anyone letting the local population know what is and isn’t acceptable in out green and pleasant land.

C4tastrophe · 13/02/2023 11:22

ElliF · 13/02/2023 10:37

The ‘right wing’ journalists are at it again...
15 yo girl (allegedly) raped at school in Dover. Four afghan boys arrested, three for holding her down and acting as lookout, and one for the rape. Of course this could all be misreporting and false allegations against these gentlemen. We know how all you socialists like to cherrypick your viewpoints on the world, and how anything that does not confirm to your little paradigm is ‘right wing’ extremism and ‘right wing’ propaganda. Let’s hope the locals don’t do anything about his. I wouldn’t want anyone letting the local population know what is and isn’t acceptable in out green and pleasant land.

It’s not on the BBC website for some reason.

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