To worry about how right wing...

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...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

@ElliF Can you provide a link?

Just googled and seen it is a news story.
Terrible, poor girl.
Lets hope the far right and racists don't start attacking anyone from Afghanistan in retaliation.

To me the difference between a British man raping a woman and a refugee/economic migrant raping a woman are twofold, not in terms of her suffering, but in terms of the wider issues around government duty of care:

1. It is very very obvious that many countries the refugees/economic migrants come from are incredibly patriarchal and not as progressive as the U.K. in terms of how they see women. So there is a clear cultural discrepancy which puts women at risk, no matter how uncomfortable it is to admit.
2. Therefore when you admit men into the U.K., you consider the heightened risk to British women to be an acceptable price to pay in order for these men to be in their destination of choice.

No, I am not a racist. I would have zero qualms about admitting women or children from exactly the same countries, in fact I’m all for it and I would like us to take more women and children. But where are they? It always seems to be healthy youngish men.

@Cuppasoupmonster You are portraying Britain as enlightened, it is not. Some countries have a more patriarchal attitude and some are safer for women and girls than Britain is.

But if you were to rank all the countries in the world according to safety and equality for women, the U.K. would be fairly near the top, although there’s more to be done. Or are you willing to bet it’s worse for women here than in Albania and Eritrea?

@Cuppasoupmonster Statistics simply do not support your view.

www.cnbc.com/2022/09/02/top-10-safest-countries-for-solo-female-travelers-2022.html

UK is on the list of top 15 most dangerous countries for solo women travellers.

www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2021/12/02/the-safest-and-worst-places-for-women-travelers-you-wont-believe-how-america-ranked/?sh=1c63466e17f5

Most gender equal countries in the world.

www.statista.com/statistics/1221060/most-gender-equal-countries-in-the-world/

Yes they do.

giwps.georgetown.edu/the-index/

I refuse to believe the U.K. is more dangerous for a solo female traveller than any country in the Middle East, North or Sub Saharan Africa, South America, India… I mean I could go on.

Key facts around safety for women in the UK.

news.sky.com/story/the-great-debate-are-women-safe-on-our-streets-the-key-facts-12423256

What I posted is an index which takes into account not just ‘gender equality’ (which mainly looks at things like maternity leave), but actual security and justice for women, and every country in the world has one. The U.K. is not perfect but scores much better than countries outside of the EU and North America.

But we’re not looking at it as a standalone question ‘is the U.K. wonderful for women?’

We’re looking at it as a comparison, how is it compared with the rest of the world? I’ve never said it is at the top, but it’s much better than most other countries in the world. Again, do you think Albania and Eritrea are less patriarchal and safer for women then the U.K.?

Notes and reasons are important for this

Writer’s Note 4/19/2022: Details were added to this article to explain why Sweden might have ranked so low in terms of women’s safety and why it is difficult to make international comparisons based on available data.

A specific example

Egypt is also in the top 10, but as Haun points out, this may be misleading. “Data ranks Egypt high on the list of ‘safe nations,’ though this is misrepresentative,” she says. “Cultural pressures and fears of social rejection mean certain crimes (such as rape) are often not reported in Egypt.”

@Cuppasoupmonster Some African countries are very safe for women to visit and have better gender equality than the UK.
The fact you talk about a whole continent being unsafe shows you do not understand different countries and instead you are seeing it as black and brown people are dangerous.

Well, exactly. I have never felt less safe as a woman ANYWHERE than I did in Egypt, where I was relentlessly groped and catcalled. I ended up staying in my hotel for my own safety.

Oh please 🙄

Same thing happened to two girlfriends of mine.

I do agree with this.

@MarshaBradyo I am aware of that. Proper investigation into individual countries would be needed, it is just a list based on available statistics.
But go on any travel forum where lots of solo women travellers post. There are lots of countries that are safer than the UK.

I have lived abroad in a few countries and the idea that the UK is a particularly safe country for women and girls is a strange one. There are often attacks on the street, street harassment, cat calling, and sexual harassment. It is not as bad as some countries like Brazil, but it is worse than countries like Japan, Iceland, and Botswana.

Egypt was the one pointed out in the article, and Sweden to show how it’s not a robust method.

For any country you’d have to take into account the fear element of reporting in the first place and what is accessible.

There are lots of countries that are safer than the UK.

Yes but they’re not the countries the migrants are coming from.

How many times?

Though I don’t know why you couldn’t find this yourself.
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1733976/boys-arrested-over-rape-15-year-old-dover-kent/amp

I agree Egypt should not be on that list.

The list isn’t very useful or meaningful as reporting is impacted by the culture too

Well, we can all read other people’s opinions about the safety of other countries, and look at cherry picked data to back up whatever opinion we want to formulate.

I’ll only form opinions about the safety and the cultural attitude of the people’s of counties I’ve lived in. Which is why I know there are counties where in my experience I felt safer and more respected than I do in the UK, and in countries with far different cultures and value systems than here.

But then, if you haven’t experienced it yourself, why not just believe what your television and your chosen news outlet tells you. Britain good. Asia bad. Where are these people’s brains?

@ElliF are the migrants coming from Asia?