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To worry about how right wing...

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TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 20:38

...the UK is becoming? The scenes in Liverpool were shocking and I fear this is just the beginning.

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MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 21:03

A anti refugee group was protesting outside a refugee centre. I believe as a result of an unsubstantiated rumour on social media. Very provocative and unnecessary. A totally dick move. But the police had it in hand.
What does the pro-refugee group do? Decide it will do a counter demonstration. Because that'll calm things down! Another dick move.
Two totally opposing groups behaving appallingly. Who cares where either of them are on the political spectrum. Their ideas might represent the views of many but not their actions.

RoseThornside · 11/02/2023 21:03

florenceandthemac · 11/02/2023 21:00

The people of Liverpool/Knowsley weren't protesting about the asylum seekers just being housed there. It was due to the number of those asylum seekers hanging around schools and approaching young girls in recent weeks

How many have been hanging around schools and approaching young girls?

CockSpadget · 11/02/2023 21:04

GetTheBehind · 11/02/2023 21:01

Does that mean the UK as a whole is becoming more right wing though 🤔?

Or maybe its because the likes of Boris Johnson and his racist ramblings, have made the right wing feel more comfortable in becoming more out and active?

amicissimma · 11/02/2023 21:04

According to The Guardian, "Since 2017, counter-terrorism forces have foiled 32 plots: 18 were Islamist related, and 12 were from the extreme right wing".

feellikeanalien · 11/02/2023 21:04

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 20:52

People who stand outside places homing asylum seekers chanting "Get them out" is right wing.

So as a result of one nasty incident you think that the whole UK is becoming more right wing.

IntentionalError · 11/02/2023 21:04

The majority of people voted in 2016 to end uncontrolled mass immigration & ‘take back control’ of the country’s borders. Yet six years later we are still being inundated with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. Nobody voted for this, so it’s inevitable that some people are going to be very angry indeed about politicians’ failure to tackle the issue, to the point at which they feel they have no alternative but to take direct action.
There is currently a massive gap on the populist right of British politics which is waiting to be filled. People who want action on illegal immigration, rather than more empty words, radical tax & benefit cuts, much lower energy & fuel prices rather than ‘net zero’, the return of the death penalty, ending all the transgender & ‘woke’ crap etc etc are currently politically homeless.

ilovesooty · 11/02/2023 21:05

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 20:48

I think you'll find the British Labour party elected a far left person as their leader.

I can't think of a far right Tory leader.

Oh dear.

user1471453601 · 11/02/2023 21:05

@Lordamighty if you really think voting Labour makes someone not "right wing" on some issues (and I speak as a member of the Labour Party) you are mistaken, in my view. Look at the number of traditionally Labour areas that voted Leave, despite Labour being (nominally) opposed to Leave.

Two things occur to me. One is that every racist voted Leave, although not everyone who voted Leave was a racist.

The other is that political views don't fall in a straight line with those on the left and those on the right. Political views, in my opinion, are circular. The more extreme (right or left) your views, the closer you can become.

ElliF · 11/02/2023 21:06

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 20:52

People who stand outside places homing asylum seekers chanting "Get them out" is right wing.

I’m not right wing either, but what’s your stance of men grooming children then? Wasn’t this all over some guy following a schoolgirl? And isn’t this on the heels of our press talking about similar instances in hostels elsewhere in the UK?

Is it something that communities should accept, or should we just accept it?
I’m all for leaving them alone and letting parents teach their children how not to be groomed by men. I only have one to worry about and I live rurally.

But many parents aren’t. Many parents believe that men should be stopped from doing it in the first place. I’m guessing that is what these dyed-in-the-wool Labour heartlanders we’re expressing.

You have a strange view of the world when you label working class parents protecting the danger to their children as ‘right wing’.

GetTheBehind · 11/02/2023 21:06

CockSpadget · 11/02/2023 21:04

Or maybe its because the likes of Boris Johnson and his racist ramblings, have made the right wing feel more comfortable in becoming more out and active?

Yes, exactly.

I would say the minority just feel more free to voice their vile opinions. Also, we tell each other EVERYTHING these days and extreme opinions don't even stand out on some social media platforms. And that really is on both sides IME

lookslikeabombhitit · 11/02/2023 21:06

Knowsley isn't Liverpool. It's one of the five council areas that make up Merseyside but it's not Liverpool. Liverpool is a city and a council area. Prescot- where the suites hotel is is in the council area of Knowsley. We get enough shite without adding in other people's....

I can't and will never defend behaviour like this. Social media rumour mongering and failed government refugee/asylum policies have a lot to answer for though. There's very little "right wing" about the Merseyside area, it's a big Labour stronghold. When you have years of poverty, slashed local funding and then add in the current climate towards asylum seekers and cost of living crisis then there are always elements that will exploit that.

follyfoot37 · 11/02/2023 21:07

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 20:48

I think you'll find the British Labour party elected a far left person as their leader.

I can't think of a far right Tory leader.

Lee Anderson is taking centre stage

ilovesooty · 11/02/2023 21:07

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 20:52

People who stand outside places homing asylum seekers chanting "Get them out" is right wing.

And there were 13 year olds there. I find that very disturbing.

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 21:08

@underneaththeash Im talking about people/groups who hold extreme nationalist, xenophobic, racist, religious fundamentalist views.

I am not referring to economic right wing philosophy.

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MarshaMelrose · 11/02/2023 21:08

CockSpadget · 11/02/2023 21:00

There have been no left wing terror attacks in the U.K. The same can’t be said for the right.

It depends how you define terror, I suppose. The thought police that dictate what people can and cannot say about political issues of the day without the danger of losing your livelihood, are a form of terrorism. If someone firebombs my car, I'm insured. If someone firebombs my reputation and my life, I'm not.

florenceandthemac · 11/02/2023 21:09

Several different occurrences.
I know that's only several out of the hundreds there, but the protesters are "trying to protect their children" where the police are doing nothing, and have had enough.
(I'm just passing on what I've read....)

Thebestwaytoscareatory · 11/02/2023 21:09

Bard6817 · 11/02/2023 21:03

I don’t know the peope involved in liverpool.

I wouldn’t believe any newspapers or online about whther it’s right wingers or not. Everything is skewed for an agenda these days.

Maybe it’s just ordinary people in liverpool who don’t get free hotel, phones, allowances, support, medical needs met, pissed off that people they perceive are piss takers do.

If that's what they believe then they are incredibly ignorant of the subject and really shouldn't be airing their thoughts at all, let alone in public.

GetTheBehind · 11/02/2023 21:11

Apparently the protests started peacefully and then some people joined who seemed to only be there to cause trouble. You see that at peaceful protests on a number of issues (even more left wing ones).

Even very left wing people I know have expressed concern when 100+ men have been placed in local hotels (or when that has looked likely). There is a bit of NIMBYism I think

Bard6817 · 11/02/2023 21:12

Ummmm. I’ve been working with a local council in Kent recently - they are getting all of the above. They just recruited another 20 staff to support them.

Which bit is inaccurate?

ilovesooty · 11/02/2023 21:12

IntentionalError · 11/02/2023 21:04

The majority of people voted in 2016 to end uncontrolled mass immigration & ‘take back control’ of the country’s borders. Yet six years later we are still being inundated with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. Nobody voted for this, so it’s inevitable that some people are going to be very angry indeed about politicians’ failure to tackle the issue, to the point at which they feel they have no alternative but to take direct action.
There is currently a massive gap on the populist right of British politics which is waiting to be filled. People who want action on illegal immigration, rather than more empty words, radical tax & benefit cuts, much lower energy & fuel prices rather than ‘net zero’, the return of the death penalty, ending all the transgender & ‘woke’ crap etc etc are currently politically homeless.

The sort of people who would be happy to see Suella Braverman as PM.

florenceandthemac · 11/02/2023 21:13

These are the posts I’m seeing

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QueueEtwo · 11/02/2023 21:13

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 20:48

I think you'll find the British Labour party elected a far left person as their leader.

I can't think of a far right Tory leader.

We have a Right Wing Prime Minister at the moment that no one elected!

LakieLady · 11/02/2023 21:14

AnneLovesGilbert · 11/02/2023 20:53

Can you be more specific? The police arrested 15 people, they’re being dealt with. There was a disturbance, it’s over. What is it you fear is going to happen?

According to the Independent, there were 100s of protestors, and staff working for a refugee charity were trapped in a car park for quite some time.

Hopefully, this is a one-off and not part of some sort of organised campaign, but it's clearly delighted some far-right morons if this Twitter thread is anything to go by:

Knowsley protests thread

Pedallleur · 11/02/2023 21:15

People like Patel or Braverman fan the flames with their rhetoric. So it filters down to the pleas who believe these people are coming stealing our jobs, homes, children etc

VeniVidiWeeWee · 11/02/2023 21:15

TooBigForMyBoots · 11/02/2023 21:08

@underneaththeash Im talking about people/groups who hold extreme nationalist, xenophobic, racist, religious fundamentalist views.

I am not referring to economic right wing philosophy.

No, you were specifically referring to right wing views.

All you say is also applicable to the Chinese Communist Party.

The far left and far right tend to meet in the middle.

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