Childcare excluded my child

[BrokenAndAfraid]

My child aged 7 sneaked a mobile phone in to school and from there into childcare. Of course I accept she was naughty and shouldn't have done it.
the childcare facility has now excluded my child - as she took a photo of another child - whist under there care.
They have said she had created a safeguarding issue.
She was caught by the staff and asked not to play on the phone, but they did not confiscate it. They handed it back to her. Older children have phones so this confused her. The phone has no sim and access to internet - it's used to play games.
AIBU to expect them to take responsibility for allowing a child to play with a phone? And then to exclude her with no prior warning?

Can’t you just take parental responsibility for the fact your child sneaked a phone out of the house? A 7 year old is not confused by the fact that older kids are allowed more responsibility.

What kind of childcare is it? An after school club for her age group or a childminder with younger children/babies there etc?

Why did she take a photo of this child, did the child know about it? And what did she do with it?

I assume these are rules that are set out. It's a business and can decide at any time to end their contract.

Seems like the child needs to learn some boundaries and hear the word 'no' once in a while.

You need to accept responsibility for your own child. Stop blaming everyone else.

If it is against the policy of the childcare provider, yes, they have every right to exclude your child. Why aren't you accepting responsibility for the (mis)behaviour of your child and trying to shift the blame to them?

How did she get the phone in the first place?

What punishment have you given for sneaking a phone (did she steal one from the house?) into school?

YABU. The other child could have very good reasons for not being photographed. Ones you'd never know. Regardless, it's an invasion of that child's privacy and it would be possible to circulate the photo once the phone is plugged in to another device.

that is very poor behaviour in a 7 year old, planned, and malicious sounding. Taking secret photos of another child? It would certainly raise a huge flag in most settings.

Exclusion seems ott. I work on a school. Yes it would be an issue but it would be dealt with by a stern warning and a conversation with the parents. Are you sure there is no missing info here? Was the photo dodgy in some way??

Discipline at home so she doesn't sneak a phone is where you start. The fact you don't know where the phone is, is only a precursor to issues later.

YABU

What kind of childcare is this that allows any children to have phones? And gives hers back to her?

Why do you let a 7yo old have free access to it, to fe able to sneak it in?

And bullshit to her being confused at older ones being allowed. She’s 7 not 3! Well ild enough to understand that rules differ by age.

I read the title as"executed"

where did she get the phone from?
I'm not actually sure on this one. I feel like a warning for a first offence is fair
But then it is a Safeguarding issue. And that doesn't allow for warnings.

So the issue is the photo taken, not the child having brought a mobile phone.

I have two 7 year olds, and neither would understand what safeguarding is, and would not really understand why they can't take a photo of someone else. They have school photos and see older people taking selfies etc...

SO... if they saw the phone, told her to put it away and not take any photos, and THEN saw her taking photos, then yes they are right to exclude her.

BUT... if she took the photo but then put the phone away when asked this would be very unfair to exclude her as per the reasons above by this being beyond what a 7 year old would understand.

What is malicious about it? All I'm seeing is a 7yr old being a bit naughty and taking a photo of a child, I'm assuming a friend? The photo wasnt posted anywhere and 7yr olds wouldnt understand safeguarding and why its needed.

What sort of photo are we talking here?

Have I missed something here?

Why do you want them to take responsibility?

AIBU to expect them to take responsibility for allowing a child to play with a phone?

Where's your responsibility?

the fact that the photo was taken in secret, surreptitiously.

And also, no, I dont think the carers should be required to confiscate the phone, that is a whole other layer of hassle and responsibility that they just dont need

My kid is 7 and would know not to do any of these things - she’s not got access to a phone, her tablet has a camera but she has been told only to take pics with permission (and can only use the front facing camera anyway because of the case)

taking a photo of another child is a safeguarding issue. My daughters best friend isn’t allowed photos taken at school.

If the rule is no phones - which obviously it should be in a setting with such children - then the childcare wouldn't exactly be looking for them. They've mitigated the risk by saying "no phones". Now the risk has been realised, they have to act.

They have said she had created a safeguarding issue. - She did.

AIBU to expect them to take responsibility for allowing a child to play with a phone? Yes YABU, take responsibility for your own child. At 7, she shouldn't have been able to sneak a phone in. Perhaps look at how closely her devices are monitored, e.g. hidden somewhere she can't access when she isn't meant to be using them.

"She wasn't going to do anything with it" isn't a good enough excuse. Many children can't have photos shared anywhere due to safety issues, such as an estranged parent who could harm them if they were to know where to find them. OP saying it wouldn't have been shared anywhere, even if it wouldn't have, isn't enough, they can't take someone's word for it. Even if not a common issue, for lots of children the wrong person seeing that photo and figuring out where they go to school/nursery/college puts them in serious danger.