AIBU in thinking AIBU is the correct place for this thread

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www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4727323-a-woman-has-been-found-guilty-of-raping-two-women

Let's see how long this stays here.

Am I being unreasonable to think that the above thread should be right here, in AIBU, rather than tucked away in the Feminism board? Reason - because a woman doesn't need to be a feminist to be affected by this issue.

Wake up! Wake up! Wake up!

Yanbu. At all. I am sick and tired of this.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens

This is the woman who has been found guilty of raping two women and is currently in a woman's prison.

Why the hell do you want it hidden away?

The Telegraph has more from the court and on the background:

"The rapist claimed to have known about their gender issues since the age of four. However, a court indictment in 2020 still referred to the defendant as Adam Graham, with the name change happening at a later date.

'I told him to stop and he did not'
Bryson had attacked the first victim at a flat in Clydebank, West Dunbartonshire, on Sept 16 2016, having met on the Badoo dating site. The woman recalled repeatedly stating "no" as a "muscular" attacker forced himself upon her.
The second woman was raped at a flat in Drumchapel, Glasgow, on June 27 2019. The victim recalled feeling "crushed" as the attacker she knew as Adam forced himself on her.
She stated: "I told him to stop and he did not. He kept going. That is when I closed my eyes and let him do what he wanted to do."
Claiming to be aware of gender issues as a young child, Bryson told the court: "I was always hanging about with the girls and always doing make-up."
Bryson claimed to have received hormone treatment. Asked about surgery, Bryson stated: "I obviously want all the surgery that the NHS can provide.""

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/01/24/transgender-woman-found-guilty-two-rapes-when-man/

Fuck this shit. Its beyond cruel.

Sign the petitions, talk to people, write and email messages, maps, councillors, challenge it (if you can safely) if genderwoo shows up at work, check what they're teaching your kids, complain to m&s about gender neutral changing rooms. Don't be cowed by cries of transphobia, it's meaningless. Read what JK Rowling wrote and decide for yourself, is it transphobic?

Start by signing this petition, think about sharing it

www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4668426-petition-update-the-equality-act-to-make-clear-the-characteristic-sex-is-biological-sex?page=39&reply=123130057

Oh,, look at that. Autocarrot changed msps (members of Scottish Parliament) to maps (minor attracted people or, in old money, paedophiles). Sorry about that. That's not at all appropriate. No, not in the slightest.

Welll...If the autocorrect fits.

I mean hat damn autocorrect

Asked about surgery, Bryson stated: "I obviously want all the surgery that the NHS can provide.""

I'd fast track Bryson.

"She was crushing her victim"

Rapist preyed on two before gender switch

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f0761d20-9c16-11ed-b81d-ce538d806950?shareToken=a983a448f7f6864a1f9f241ef6339e68

"Oh, you're overreacting" "You must have misunderstood" "{S}he wouldn't be safe on the male estate" "Why won't you just beeee kiiiiind"

All this and more, brought to you by a world which does not give the tiniest fuck about women's rights. How anyone with two brain cells rubbing together can think this rapist thug should be placed in a women's prison is infuriating, as it's more We Don't Care, We Don't Like You, Shut Up Now behaviour from men and some women who don't seem to grasp the significance of the matter.

The whole thing is sickening.

Oh OP, YA so NBU that being unreasonable is just a dot in the far distance.

Would someone from the 11% who voted YABU please, please explain in a way that makes logical sense why it’s appropriate to house this multiple rapist in a women’s prison?

To everyone who feels patronised because they’re already aware how wrong this is, it’s fantastic you’ve been keeping up to date but if you’re not already doing so then please consider signing the petition linked to upthread, writing to your MP/MSP, generally getting sunlight to this issue.

If you’re aware of this issue and you’re not “frothing”…why the fuck not???

I'm just posting this tweet that...well read it. I didn't know the prison had a mother and baby unit.

Question: "So this is a man and should be in a male prison?

Answer: "Yes"

Times Radio interview with SNP's Joanna Cherry:

twitter.com/timesradio/status/1618169587236732928?s=46&t=r8Rqe3Ek64IHatXinbfuSw

It gets worse. There's an article from the Telegraph. It's from 2021 so I would like to hope the guidance has been changed to safeguard women. I'll post the clip that caught my attention and a link to the full article. It may be paywalled. If it is could someone do the archive wizardry?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/08/02/safety-fears-patients-nhs-allows-trans-sex-offenders-female/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1627936540

Please sign and share the petition linked upthread

I'm not aware of the guidance being changed, and the NHS continue to push this agenda.

Yeah I will froth and shriek over rapists and perverts being given unfettered access to women and children.

Anyone who thinks we should stay silent or be kind is just a rape enabler now and can fuck right off with their bullshit.

Sharon Davies made a good point. Now that the number of trans prisoners is starting to increase maybe there will soon be enough to have a specific wing set aside for trans identifying males.

I suspect that if this was done the number of transitions would start to drop...

This is the sort of case that should have women demonstrating in the streets . Absolutely outrageous

Oh. See, I thought your first post on this thread was you being sarcastic.

But you really think of the Feminist board as being the 'naughty corner' . And you use terms like 'frothing' about women expressing concern over a rapist being placed in a female prison and victims and other people being forced to call their rapists 'she /her'...

I think it is really good though that the women who are undecided on this issue see your very fine arguments in all their glory.

The reality is you have nothing but pointing your pointy finger of shame to hide the fact that you cannot even just scroll on past a thread you disagree with.

Well on the other thread there is this gem from dotjones

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4724015-to-object-to-having-to-call-a-man-accused-of-rape-she-in-a-criminal-court-trial?page=11

Who believes that women in prison should accept that they are criminals, just like the males placed in there are criminals and that maybe those women will think again on committing crime in the future ....

Fuck... I cannot believe that I read that post here today.

That either having the potential to be raped by a male in prison or sadly for some, being raped, is just and deserved and will be a deterrent.

So you get done for some pretty crime and therefore should be trapped with a rapist in a cell and if you get raped, well you shouldn't have stole that cheese.

OK.

😡

I'm just gobsmacked @Helleofabore . How can people be so ignorant of the lives of those less fortunate than themselves? What actually goes through their brain?

Aghhhhhhhhhnnnnh

It's our sex based rights and we'll froth if we want to

Mariella Frostrup talks about this with Maya Forstater on Times Radio, at 09:45ish www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/show/20230125-19862/2023-01-25

Any wing set aside for male prisoners with a protected characteristic should be in a men's prison.