To object to having to call a man accused of rape 'she' in a criminal court trial?

[Appalonia]

Firstly, the definition of rape is penetration by a penis without consent. Only men have a penis. This case makes a mockery of the law and the criminal justice process and is a gross victimisation of this victim?
www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/23259685.clydebank-court-hears-woman-raped-clydebank-home/?ref=twtrec

Especially the men pretending to be us.
And the women like Maggie Chapman, Kezia Dugdale and Nicola Sturgeon who are bending over backwards to pander to them.

the thing that never happens happening yet again……

Look at the way this male rapist and his lawyer were presenting him as being the vulnerable one. It's vile.

news.sky.com/story/amp/vulnerable-trans-woman-accused-of-rape-is-not-predatory-male-glasgow-court-told-12793757

I'm a rape survivor. If someone in court had been forcing to call my rapist "She" I would have started screaming in trauma and I don't think I could have stopped.

The women who are enduring this deserve better.

Rape Crisis and all of the unwholesome signatories who pushed for self ID are getting vast amounts of money from Scotgov.

The Guardian barely comments on it.

These people are all enabling rapists.
They are enabling predatory men.
Rape Crisis in particular is disgusting - the statement by their trans CEO telling women that they are bigoted and need to reframe their trauma should have been sackable.

But no.

JK Rowling self funded Beira's Place - bought the building - it's for women only. beirasplace.org.uk/

www.legalfeminist.org.uk/2021/09/12/fostering-good-relations/

More information about the male CEO of Rape Crisis for anyone new to this.

So the argument is that being trans is a defence for committing crimes. It didn’t work this time but the lawyer obviously thought it was worth a try (it has worked previously a number of times) and another time it may succeed.

We know that some judges already treat it as a mitigating factor and either state that they are not imposing a prison sentence because the criminal is trans it impose a lower sentence. This has happened to criminals convicted of sex offences.

The double rapist case illustrates perfectly the issue created by treating more leniently criminals who claim a particular characteristic.

The double rapist had apparently showed no sign of gender issues and only decided he was a woman one week ago before he went to court.

Yesterday he is now allowed to identify into the lenient category at will. It incentivises make criminals to identify as women - they’d almost be silly not to.

I was fuming when I read about this. In one picture in the Daily Mail, you could clearly see the bulge of his Penis through his tight trousers. No way will I be calling it she.

Yep, this is one man to whom I won’t be giving the courtesy of using his preferred pronouns. I understand he’s in a womens prison pending sentencing. Hope he gets sent to a mens prison asap.

What would happen if you took the oath and then turned to the judge and said: I don;t understand. I seem to be being asked to commit perjury by the court. A man has committed a male criem and I am beinga sked ot lie and pretend he is a female. Please can you advise me? And please would the court note that I object to being forced to lie on oath.

If every person in the court who was critical of self-ID fake-trans predators did this it would cost a lot.

Oh sorry for appalling typos. Typing in the dark!

It’s also another example of misogyny - men will likely accept that men ‘transitioning to be women’ are undergoing some kind of trauma because why else would they debase themselves?

eg Girls who wear ‘boyish’ clothes and do boyish pursuits = perceived as not really viewed as an issue. They’re bolder/ braver/ smarter etc.

Boys who wear girly clothes/ enjoy ‘feminine pursuits’ = this is perceived as awkward and ‘lesser’.

YANBU.

I object in the strongest possible terms, OP.

Whoops, your anti woman bias is showing

Here’s Maria’s own account:

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/06/21/interview-maria-maclauchlan-gra-aftermath-assault-speakers-corner/

Great bit of victim blaming from StarsSand there, as well as misogyny

It’s also another example of misogyny - men will likely accept that men ‘transitioning to be women’ are undergoing some kind of trauma because why else would they debase themselves?

Exactly. I think this forms part of some peoples thinking on this. Maybe men feel that the worst possible thing in the world is to be a woman so anyone that ‘wants’ to give up their male privilege to be a woman is to be pitied as they must be in such a terrible situation?

I must say, it is bizarre that Starsand is so focused on waving away the terrible treatment Maria Maclachlan received in court.

I think the judges Bench Book may have been updated after much protest to allow women in some circumstances to use correct pronouns for their male attacker but I think it is still the exception and still at the discretion of the judge. Even if the judge does a rape victim to use the correct words to describe her experience at the hands of a man, the rest of the court are very likely to still use the ‘she/her’ pronouns.

This will be confusing for everyone and detrimental to the prosecution as they are distracted by ‘correct’ pronoun use rather than the gravity of the crime and it also forces the victim to listen to her rapist being described as a woman which could be retraumatising.

None of this remotely acknowledges the terribly difficult situation and rape victim is going through and gives all the sympathy and consideration to the male criminal.

BBC

Have a read of the BBC article.

A simple, factual article, but it is quite confusing to read because of all the he/she/ person known as…,etc etc

Imagjne how this works when trying to present evidence to a jury 🤦🏻‍♀️

her antagonistic behaviour lead the to escalation of the incident to begin with.

Ah, so what you're saying is 'she asked for it'. I see.

Of course this young male kick boxer was justified in attacking a sixty odd year old woman.

What I find fascinating is who, out of these two individuals, is actually the gender non conforming one?

Is it the young male, into kick boxing, who physically attacks a woman?

Or is it the 60 year old woman, who speaks her mind publicly, who asserts her boundaries, who is politically active?

What does it tell you about our society that people see the most superficial surface things (hair, clothes, makeup), all things that can be purchased, and think that they somehow hold great significance about who that person really is?

We've been trying, for years. But you get shouted down in a hail of "TERF! Transphobe! Bigot! Nazi! Fascist!" A lot of press won't report on it for fear of the TRA backlash.

YADNBU. But Trans Rights Activists (TRAs) don't think anything is more important than 'respecting' someone's pronouns. Does anyone remember when Ian Brady decided he was a woman, and started using the name of one of his victim's mother? And TRAs were adamant that this was fine.

Yup. And recently MSP Maggie Chapman , when asked if the convicted rapist currently in a male prison but is now identifying as a woman and boasting that he is doing it get access to female prisoners should be allowed to go to a women’s prison, said that if he ‘identifies as trans’, then yes absolutely he should.

There is a distinct parallel, to my mind, between the current situation and previous events involving the support of MPs. And history did not judge them kindly: www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt

Second photo down in this article. This rapist is now on remand in a women’s prison until the end of February.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11674325/SNP-Joanna-Cherry-leads-fury-transgender-double-rapist-sent-womens-prison.html

I highly doubt this person’s intention to take advantage of any surgery available on the NHS. Gender dysphoria would usually mean that said appendage, being so obviously visual by others, would cause distress to owner of said appendage.

There are many men who really do take pleasure from “widening the bandwidth of how to be a woman” as said by some person with a beard.

It is remarkable isn't it?

That so many of these male who declare they are women, also get to declare they are victims when it is their own inability to control their actions that is the issue.

The world has just ploughed along doing the same stuff of old. "She was to blame! She inflamed me! She escalated it!"

Same old, same old. This time the male has just an extra twist to add to their pleas ....

No violence is justified. If you want to get down to who did what? Any extreme trans activist that even attempts to intimidate women to shut them up needs to own up to their violent acts.

I am getting pretty fucked off by the 'they are justified because the women are saying things that harm them'. No. Fuck off. Women are allowed to tell the world how they are being impacted by this.

But some people now honestly believe that intimidation in any form to silence women legally discussing their needs is 'righteous' .

No. Males need to own their violence.

Fire this that don't like to click here's the rapist who is currently in a WOMAN'S prison

I (still) don't get the fuss about this person being in a women's prison. They are a criminal. The other inmates are also criminals. Some will be violent offenders, some will be sex offenders.

There always seems to be an assumption that women in prison are somehow "victims" who need to be protected and nurtured. And that male prisoners are violent and disgusting and deserve to be there. This is an incredibly sexist viewpoint based on the stereotype that women are naturally inferior to men - they can't be as guilty as a man could be, in the same way they can't be as strong or run as fast or be as successful in business.

My view is that first and foremost, this rapist is a CRIMINAL. The people they are locked up with are CRIMINALS. That is the most important thing that must be considered before deciding whether they're male or female or what religion they are or anything else - they are CRIMINALS who deserve to be locked up. If a female prisoner is unhappy about being locked up with this rapist, if she feels threatened or unsafe, hopefully she will use those feelings constructively to take a hard look at herself and the reasons for her being in prison, and to not return to crime if she gets released.

I've said it before on other threads - either we must accept that someone can change gender, or decide that it's impossible (personally I think the latter). It's a binary thing - either it can be done or it can't. That's the decision that needs to be made by government and then enforced.

My view is that first and foremost, this rapist is a CRIMINAL. The people they are locked up with are CRIMINALS

this rapist is a RAPIST. The people they are locked up with are THE PEOPLE THAT MOST RAPIST LIKE TO RAPE…

I get what you're saying, however even CRIMINALS, whether male or female are entitled to feel safe whilst incarcerated (bit of an oxymoron given the state of our prisons these days).

The concern with this individual is that he likely decided he wanted to be a female to avoid being banged up with MEN. He probably thinks he'll get an easier time of it in a WOMENS prison and on the plus side, if he decides to keep his penis, he can attempt/rape other FEMALE inmates. Nice.