To find media discussion about trans issues far overstated compared to the actual seriousness of the issue?

[BarmyBrunhilde]

Full disclosure, I happily accept most trans people I've met as their transitioned gender which I know puts me at odds with most people on MN. But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't, in terms of political priorities it ranks so list on my list of concerns. I assume that applies to most people too (trans people included!).

What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life, and surely minimal impact on most women's lives? Imo we should be focusing on cost of living crisis, housing, properly funding women's services including rape crisis services, funding childcare, sorting out the health service and bloody schools! Gender recognition comes way below those for me (even though I'm broadly supportive with some checks in place).

I know gender criticals won't agree with me, and maybe some trans people who feel very strongly, but I do feel there's a silent majority of us who just aren't that fussed?

So your stance is 'I'm not bothered why are you?'

Yeah. Minimal impact on the 9 year old flashed by a sex offender in the wi spa. I mean why get ourselves worked up about sexual assault right?

Minimal impact on Karen White's victims right?

Minimal impact on the 10 year old victim of Katie Dolatowksi right?

Lettjusy roll over and accept that we need to have penis in females only spaces.

NO.

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It's perfectly possible to concentrate on more than one issue at a time.

YANBU but I wish you good luck with your thread.

hilariously you call yourself a feminist without irony

It doesn’t have minimal impact in womens prisons, womens spaces like rape crisis centres, womens sport.

It doesn’t have minimal impact in schools, where a lot of time is spent talking about trans rights for a tiny proportion of children while the issues affecting women and girls are squeezed out and girls are taught to ‘be kind’ while outside in the real world women and girls are assaulted and abused on a massive scale.

If it doesn’t affect you, that’s great. I’m pleased for you.

Can you clarify for me how gender recognition reform in Scotland makes any different to any of those (of course awful) cases? I've read up on this, and it's not legal for anyone to be asked for a GRC pre entry to i.e. a toilet. Unless you can clarify how this specific legislation is important enough to break up the union, in practical terms that effect women everyday, my view will remain unchanged.

Honestly it does have minimal impact on my life but I want to safeguard women’s rights for my daughters and all women and girls. Men don’t belong in female jails, refuges or changing rooms. There are plenty of women who won’t be bothered by mixed sex spaces but that doesn’t mean they (you) get to decide what is reasonable for all women and girls.

Wayne Couzens self IDs as trans.
Her crime is now listed as committed by a female. She is moved into a female prison. When she's released, she can change in the same rooms as your daughter / grand daughter / niece. When he gets a job in a care home, she can do all the intimate care.on your mum and grandma.

But, yeah, has no possible issues I can think of.

My children are at school, they are aware trans people exist, there is one trans boy at the school, we've probably had 2 conversations about it in total? The idea it's some major topic being talked about non-stop just doesn't add up to me.

Unless you can clarify how this specific legislation is important enough to break up the union

If this specific issue is so unimportant, why is it upsetting SNP so much that they’ll stomp their feet and demand independence over it?

Right, well in your hypothetical situation he can still be barred from moving to women's prisons. If he medically transitions he can be moved to a separate wing not with women (which I would support, even though this is nonsense because he's not even trans). It is perfectly to exclude trans people with GRC's from certain spaces, especially in prisons, I've read up on this issue. In terms of women's toilets, GRC's have no impact, and who is realistically policing this anyway?

As I said above, unless you can provide a practical day to day situation where trans woman have GRC affects women, than I'm not going to have an issue, and think most women (GC ones' included) should be focusing on what really matters.

One of your kids male teachers comes out as trans, but hasn't had grs.
When they go for away trips, they can share a room with your teen daughters. They can change with them and shower with them.
The 5 boys in school have also come out as trans and can now take places on your daughter's sports teams, change with them, shower with them, share a dorm with them.

Of those 6, 1 is nefarious... Which would you rather it be? The grown adult with full unfettered access to your diaghters, or 1 of the 5 boys?

Tell this to the female music artists not shortlisted for the Brits.

Tell this to the women who lose out on pay because their employer reports a smaller gender pay gap due to conflating sex with gender in their data.

I just want to register satisfaction that this topic is being discussed in detail, across a number of threads, in AIBU.

long may this continue

If anyone of the gender criticals when posting their fan fiction/hypothetical scenarios can delineate where gender recognition certificates specifically factor that would be much more helpful!

When it becomes acceptable in law to lie on an official document, I believe that affects us all.

I don't think the media are taking it seriously enough.

I disagree that rapists should be in womens prisons where they can (and have) rape a woman.

I disagree that biological men should be allowed in sessions where women are talking/counselling about their rape, further traumatising those women.

I disagree that "men" should be in womens hospital wards especially since a woman was raped in one and the hospital, doctors and nurses all say the rape couldn't have happened because no men were in that ward. That poor woman was raped and everybody said she wasn't. That was unforgivable.

Trans teenagers occur in clusters. Only one at your school maybe but whole friendship groups deciding they are trans in others. But we’re supposed to believe social contagion isn’t a factor…

can delineate where gender recognition certificates specifically factor that would be much more helpful!

They change your legal sex (i.e. make lies law). You think that's not an issue ?

'unless you can provide a practical day to day situation where trans woman have GRC affects women, than I'm not going to have an issue'

Have you ever been in a really vulnerable situation like in a hospital post-surgery or a care home as someone who isn't very mobile and had it be important to you that you have a female carer? I have and not been able to guarantee that they will be is really fairly terrifying. I was assaulted by a man a few years ago in a medical setting and the idea of just getting intimate care from a female nurse or carer is difficult enough.

If this never affects you, you're lucky. Lots and lots of other women aren't in that position.

it is perfectly to exclude trans people with GRC's from certain spaces, especially in prisons, I've read up on this issue

I'd recommend more reading.

Hypotheticals may be the worst case scenario, but as soon as a hypothetical become possible it's time to consider their probability.

Women's services like survivor support that excludes provision for women who want single sex services? Great.

This is simple complacency and a total lack of thought and consideration for those who ARE affected.

You may never be raped and forced, under oath, to refer to your rapist in court as "she". Fancy drumming up a teeny weeny wee hint of compassion for the 2 women in Scotland who are currently having to do this?

Can you lay out for me, in a practical context, where a Gender Recognition Certificate will make a different in women's everyday lives? Not an abstract philosophical question about what a woman is, but a material instance, where someone having a GRC will harm women?