To find media discussion about trans issues far overstated compared to the actual seriousness of the issue?

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Full disclosure, I happily accept most trans people I've met as their transitioned gender which I know puts me at odds with most people on MN. But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't, in terms of political priorities it ranks so list on my list of concerns. I assume that applies to most people too (trans people included!).

What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life, and surely minimal impact on most women's lives? Imo we should be focusing on cost of living crisis, housing, properly funding women's services including rape crisis services, funding childcare, sorting out the health service and bloody schools! Gender recognition comes way below those for me (even though I'm broadly supportive with some checks in place).

I know gender criticals won't agree with me, and maybe some trans people who feel very strongly, but I do feel there's a silent majority of us who just aren't that fussed?

Anyway thank you sooo much for the opportunity to share all these examples of how this ideology has harmed and continues to harm women.

Anyway thank you sooo much for the opportunity to share all these examples of how this ideology has harmed and continues to harm women.

And on AIBU too. Nice one

Sshhhhh

I was trying on "be kind" to see if it fits.

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Does it suit me?

Well from research it seems that you have to use gendered terms in marriage vows, so for the correct language you need to change your certificate. Also in terms of registering death, and privacy considerations which also apply. But it has nothing to do with single sex spaces - as I understand case law has established trans people generally have the right to use the spaces of their transitioned sex, with occasional exceptions (rape crisis centres, prisons etc being the most obvious cases).

Case law example I got form google www.lawcentres.org.uk/policy/news/news/kirklees-law-centre-wins-landmark-transgender-discrimination-case

💯% this!

Your opinion is not everybody else’s reality.

OP, if it’s just a trivial piece of paper nobody ever looks at and it doesn’t even do anything practical, what’s even the point of all of this? Why are SNP pushing so hard they risk ‘breaking up the union’?

Unless it is not, in fact, just a trivial piece of paper as many posters are telling you.

How does work re women's spaces? Are you suggesting service providers ask uses they suspect of being trans provide a birth certificate? 🤔

I was raped once , and for many years after I only felt safe seeing and being alone with female doctors and other professionals. Let that sink in.

I don't have much of an issue with the GRA as it stands albeit it I think a legal lie is very stupid, it was designed to serve a very small group of people.

However the reforms in Scotland remove diagnosis and all gates basically which opens GRC up to a much wider population.

This means women will have very little recourse to challenge males in their spaces and services.

I already answered this above - it seems meaningful to trans people, and has no impact on my life (or any woman I know?) So what's the problem?

If the GRR goes through in Scotland 16 year old males will now be able to be registered as legally female. There will be no way of excluding them from the female changing rooms at school.

Fuck the rights of the females to privacy and dignity, right?

That's really interesting because that doesn't seem to be the case in Scotland, nor does any of the paperwork include sex markers.

I have another thread going about marriage and death certificates in the Feminism section looking for examples where trans people aren't able to use their preferred gender/name. Haven't been given any so far except possibly sex marker on death certificates which could easily be changed.

It baffles me that people think this is a non issue. Sometimes I wonder if they just can’t think through the consequences or if they just don’t care about women’s safety or rights. We are living in one of the most misogynistic periods in recent history.

Disagree that it’s ‘minimal’… almost all degradation of peoples rights is a minute, bit by bit, gradual erosive process.. some might call it ‘minimal’ if you didn’t look at the wider context and long term. x

How do these challenges happen in practice? I think that's where there's the gap for me - I've not seen one example of a trans woman (or male predator) being denied access to a women's space due to not having a GRC. So allowing trans people to get them more easily seems like a no-brainer?

Are you suggesting service providers ask uses they suspect of being trans provide a birth certificate?

Anyone applying for these services will be asked to confirm their sex and if there is potential they are lying them yes, proof could be requested.

But you don't agree that segregation by biological sex which is meaningful to many people is important?

Have you asked trans people for examples of how it impacts on their lives and then minimised their experiences or just gender critical women?

or if they just don’t care about women’s safety or rights

They don't care, no.

How do these challenges happen in practice? I think that's where there's the gap for me - I've not seen one example of a trans woman (or male predator) being denied access to a women's space due to not having a GRC. So allowing trans people to get them more easily seems like a no-brainer?

This is the burglars will get in so why bother locking your house argument. 🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈🙈

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/transgender_people_getting_marri_2 Trans people have to use their birth sex in marriage vows as per this FOI that I just sourced from google

I don't think it's nothing to want a legal document issued by the state to be a factual record. I find it genuinely distressing that this doesn't seem to be a concern to some authorities.

An option that would make more sense to me would be to remove sex information from the birth certificate.

That.... literally says England. 🙈

Sorry, do nurses as a routine get asked their birth certificate? Also what about spaces - do people get asked to provide a birth certificate/GRC to enter? I've never heard or seen of such an example, would be interested if you have one though!

Is the law different in Scotland (pre GRR reform)?