To find media discussion about trans issues far overstated compared to the actual seriousness of the issue?

[BarmyBrunhilde]

Full disclosure, I happily accept most trans people I've met as their transitioned gender which I know puts me at odds with most people on MN. But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't, in terms of political priorities it ranks so list on my list of concerns. I assume that applies to most people too (trans people included!).

What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life, and surely minimal impact on most women's lives? Imo we should be focusing on cost of living crisis, housing, properly funding women's services including rape crisis services, funding childcare, sorting out the health service and bloody schools! Gender recognition comes way below those for me (even though I'm broadly supportive with some checks in place).

I know gender criticals won't agree with me, and maybe some trans people who feel very strongly, but I do feel there's a silent majority of us who just aren't that fussed?

Oooh ooh I've got one!

Barbie Kardashian.

You'll LOVE her, OP. She's a peach.

Anybody else getting mansplaining vibes?

Rainbowshit
Here. I'll help you out.

If the GRR goes through in Scotland 16 year old males will now be able to be registered as legally female. There will be no way of excluding them from the female changing rooms at school.

Fuck the rights of the females to privacy and dignity, right?

We already went through this - can you provide a clear and objective a breakdown of how gender recognition laws specifically impact this? Otherwise this is just a random claim by someone on the internet...

We already went through this.

Haldane says that anyone with a GRC must be considered of the opposite sex for ALL purposes. So males with a GRC changing their sex to female MUST be allowed access to female changing rooms.

If you can dispute that go ahead.

Well weren't you lucky to have had your mum and your DH to look after you in that scenario. Two people you loved and trusted.

Now imagine the woman in the next bed is in your same position but has no one. She asks for a female staff member to provide the care you were lucky enough to have two trusted carers to provide. The GRA means she may have someone who is male providing that care, because in law they are to be treated as a woman if they have a GRC and in practice increasingly this cuts across single sex exemptions.

If other things are more pressing, maybe we shouldn't focus on finding proofs you'd be able to accept. Let's just postpone the topic of easing access to GRC for the time when the cost of living crisis is over.
All those trans ideology attempts to bend the law are just distracting from important topics.

How does GRR in Scotland affect these case (or indeed comparable cases)? Trans people can already change their driver's licences separately from a GRC? gic.nhs.uk/info-support/changing-your-passport/

Can you provide specific and objective evidence that letting males (tw) into women's spaces does not I crease the the risk to women and is acceptable to the majority of women? Can you provide specific and objective evidence that tw are more like women than other males? Can you tell us why we should segregate a space for natal females and some males who identity with their version of a woman whilst excluding other males? Or do you think women without a gender identity should be excluded form women's toilets, prisons etc.?

Example:

Some women can only attend groups or sessions that are single sex for religious reasons. Such as swimming.

At the moment, if a transwoman holds a GRC then they can attend the women's swimming session however at the moment, due to the process of obtain GRC, this really isn't a massive issue and the example religious woman will figure that the chances of attending the same session is low - so will take that risk and go.

However, if it's easier to obtain GRC, as the bill proposes, then this group of people becomes much larger and the religious woman may decide not to attend said swimming session because the probability of it no longer being same sex is much bigger.

See also same sex schools. In Scotland, there are very few same sex schools. If the legal age of obtaining GRC is lowered to 16 (and much easier to get), then demand for single sex schools may increase, resulting in less places for girls that can only attend same sex school for whatever reason. Such as religion, previous sexual assault etc.

If you have a read up of the reasons why section 35 was invoked, the logic is hard to ignore.

For this that are not aware of the horror of Barbie kardashian, here you go.

Once again THANK YOU OP for the opportunity to share these examples.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-who-threatened-to-torture-and-kill-her-mother-found-guilty-in-limerick-1.4873477

I'll make it easy for you OP, I found a link for you so you don't have to do any work.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/woman-who-threatened-to-torture-and-kill-her-mother-found-guilty-in-limerick-1.4873477

And I think you mean: ‘We have already gone through this’.

They shouldn't be able to and there are campaigns to stop the aggressive act of a man saying he's a woman. One shit act does not justify another shit act

Here's Karen White. Thank you OP.

amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/karen-white-how-manipulative-and-controlling-offender-attacked-again-transgender-prison

Op you said :

they are aware trans people exist in reference to your children. Can you please explain what a trans person actually is? I haven't seen a working definition of trans (outwith the Stonewall definition) which I don't think a child would necessarily be aware of?

What is gender identity?

Why do you believe that a person who has a gender identity or who says they are trans should have more rights than people who don't have one?

May I refer you again to @Rainbowshit‘s post at 22:53 that you have yet to acknowledge or respond to.

I'm with you OP, I am also a lefty feminst women, however you're asking mumsnet and the "gender critical" lot will be on this thread like flies on shit.

They'll give you examples of horrific monsters like Karen White who happens to be trans as a reason why thousands of others, most of who are extremely lovely unassuming people, shouldn't be able to state their gender on an official form with dignity and looked upon as digusting fetishists and pariahs. And I find that as abhorrent as if they were to use Savannah Brockhill as an example of Lesbian women being predators who should be kept away from straight women and children. X

Since when is Wayne Couzens trans?

So I'm clear - are you suggesting trans women are currently providing GRCs prior to joining swimming groups? This sounds far fetched and illegal

Well, you are being very deliberately obtuse and ignoring my post. Why don’t you answer whether you are bothered by women’s data no longer being accurately recorded? Not bothered?
Also…
a) Your post is headed that generally trans issues are ‘far overstated’ so you aren’t bothered about any issues around trans, GRC or not, which you’ve clearly stated.
b) you say that What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life which is just not true. Data, GRC and the ability to change a biological fact is quite far reaching, for you and for everyone. Certificates such as birth, registries are one of the few areas of our lives which HAVE to be based on true accounts, on truths. It is the basis of the ability to get passports, to register for taxes it is fundamental to our registered true lives. This is the first time in 100s of years that this has changed and calls into question whether registers are now based on truths. It is a huge change.
C) GRCs mean that you can now back up these messed up data systems and if you wanted to, claim all rights as a woman as a vulnerable group or as an unequal group. It also really messes up data because a question what is your gender, and what is your sex can now be answered both female even if you are biologically male.

But I have the feeling that you aren’t going to reply to any of these points.

Here's another example of the impact of the loss of single sex spaces.

www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/strictly-orthodox-women-to-mobilise-against-opening-hampstead-heath-ladies-pond-to-trans-swimmers-1.484633?reloadTime=1672531200011

Can you let us know which form you're referring to? The one that they can't state their gender on already without a GRC?