To find media discussion about trans issues far overstated compared to the actual seriousness of the issue?

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Full disclosure, I happily accept most trans people I've met as their transitioned gender which I know puts me at odds with most people on MN. But as a feminist and a lefty, even if one views trans women as men which I don't, in terms of political priorities it ranks so list on my list of concerns. I assume that applies to most people too (trans people included!).

What someone has listed on their birth certificate has no impact on my life, and surely minimal impact on most women's lives? Imo we should be focusing on cost of living crisis, housing, properly funding women's services including rape crisis services, funding childcare, sorting out the health service and bloody schools! Gender recognition comes way below those for me (even though I'm broadly supportive with some checks in place).

I know gender criticals won't agree with me, and maybe some trans people who feel very strongly, but I do feel there's a silent majority of us who just aren't that fussed?

I vaguely agree with you but it seems a bit disingenuous to make a thread about something you're saying you don't care about.

Come on OP, let’s see your witty, faux what’s-the-outrage response to this one!

In response to your post and claim that this is hugely overstated in terms of significance and people impacted - then I’d have to ask why Nicola Sturgeon has chosen to take this forward? Especially Given the difficulties in getting it through Holyrood let alone the constitutional issues. The cynic in me would suggest it’s to provoke Westminster having no choice but to intervene and for her to garner additional support from younger voter. Don’t see anything altruistic in that, just simple politics.

Of the many acts of legislation that could be enacted to attempt to bring further equality, this by your own words, seems the least impactful.

Can you provide specific and objective evidence to support this re changing rooms in schools and GRCs specifically?

Educate yourself, OP.

.. this is what confuses me - I know 3 trans people, 1 has a GRC the other 2 do not. All of them just crack on (using the toilets of their transitioned gender) and none of them ever show their birth certificates. I can't see practical situations day to day where GRCs come in to play. How does the actual scenario play it in your head post vs pre GRC in terms of 'self id'? If you saw a trans woman in the toilet would you ask to see her birth certificate?

It's not the genuine trans people that are the problem in that context, by and large. It's the predatory men who will take advantage of self-ID legislation to get into places where they can harm women and girls.

And how does a GRC effect this - are there any IRL examples of one making a difference in these situations?

Posted too soon.

There's loads of info on the sex and gender board. Head on over and do a bit of reading.

And by a bit, I mean hours. It's all there, broken down for you, with links to sources and everything.

Statistics, data and protecting women.

If we don’t know how many women there are in a workplace, or whether men or women are paid more for the same job, we can’t fight for equal rights. We can’t know this if we no longer collect accurate data. Which we don’t, because anyone can say they are a man or a woman and it is recorded as such.

If we don’t know who is the victim of violence, sexual violence and domestic abuse, we can’t give funds to services appropriately. If we don’t protect services for those groups most in need, such as domestic violence shelters for women, then women won’t feel safe enough to use them.

I could go on… why are you not upset about that OP?

I am also very upset about climate change, about poverty. Do you know who is generally most affected by poverty? Women and children. Do you know who is most affected by climates change? Same again.

Oh but you are told by OP that this doesn’t matter! Gaslighting at its best.

We have this data at my company, and no-one has provided a birth certificate, so I fail to see how GRA reform would affect such a matter?

"Rainbowshit
If the GRR goes through in Scotland 16 year old males will now be able to be registered as legally female. There will be no way of excluding them from the female changing rooms at school.

Fuck the rights of the females to privacy and dignity, right?"

Can you provide specific and objective evidence to support this re changing rooms in schools and GRCs specifically?

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Haldane says that a GRC renders the holder legally of that sex for ALL purposes. 16 year old males who have been given a GRC will now HAVE to be considered female for ALL purposes. There is nothing the schools can do to exclude them.

If you think that's not the case then please provide specific and objective evidence to prove otherwise.

Oh you need to be silent. These thing matter not a dot ! According to OP

Don't you care that £££££££££££££££ are being spent on legislation to give people a piece of paper that you say isn't important, OP?

Don't you care about the kiddies going hungry at school, whilst legal battles are fought with their dinner money, to allow a bloke to have a piece of paper that says he's a bird on it, and vice versa?

Despite the vitriol and character assassination, I've not been provided with 1 concrete example where a GRC or lack thereof has provided a substantive threat to women's safety. I would probably need at least 5 to persuaded, yet 1 still eludes every enraged voice here!

Here. I'll help you out.

If the GRR goes through in Scotland 16 year old males will now be able to be registered as legally female. There will be no way of excluding them from the female changing rooms at school.

Fuck the rights of the females to privacy and dignity, right?

We already went through this - can you provide a clear and objective a breakdown of how gender recognition laws specifically impact this? Otherwise this is just a random claim by someone on the internet...

And how does a GRC effect this - are there any IRL examples of one making a difference in these situations?

A predatory man who has self-ID'd as a woman to gain access to women's spaces will have the same right to be there as a women. It's not a case of asking to see his GRC piece of paper. He will have a legal right to be there. Do you think that that is a good thing for women and girls?

We have this data at my company, and no-one has provided a birth certificate, so I fail to see how GRA reform would affect such a matter?
Because the legislation will mean that a lot more people will potentially be able to be treated legally as the opposite sex, therefore skewing the data.

Well we don’t have to persuade you, once or 5 times.

Tell it to the courts.

Bingo!

Here's another.

www.lamag.com/citythinkblog/exclusive-transgender-fugitive-who-spurred-wi-spa-riots-bares-all/

So delighted you've given us the opportunity to share the impacts of trans ideology on female rights again and again and again.

And I will keep on sharing them. The more people that become aware the better.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. You acknowledge providing GRC's or birth certificates are not done to access women's spaces, and assault and abuse are of course illegal already. So what material difference actually exists re GRR?