To think that a man standing outside a school in girls uniform is not OK?

[crinklemum2]

Name changed as this is very local and he was seen wearing my DD's school uniform.

A local school uniform shop shared images to reassure parents they would not be selling him any items. Essex police say he poses no risk and people should stop sharing the photos. He looks to be late 50s/early 60s.

He's been seen around schools - both primary and secondary - dressed as a school girl (in their uniform). I am fucking outraged that the police don't seem to think that's an issue. God forbid we offend men or shame their fetishes.

AIBU that this must be an antisocial behaviour at the very least?

If the Police don't think he's a risk why does it say they are actively patrolling the community? Surely there's no need if they don't think he's a risk 🤔

'The trouble is where do you draw the line in taking action against people who haven't committed a crime but might do in the future? Would it be fair to prosecute a teenager from a rough estate who was loitering outside a shop because they're of similar age to other teenagers who've loitered outside the shop in the past and gone on to smash the windows?'

When it involves children. Plain and simple.

Fuck me, people saying "fashion choices".

Wild

I wouldn't be happy at all but I can't see why or how the school/head/governors would be able to do anything about it as some pp have suggested. Also lol at the school police officer, we couldn't get them to come to a weapon in school incident so this would be unlikely.

@Holdmycoat so in my example because it involves a teenage child loitering, it's ok to prosecute them on the offchance they smash a window in future?

Schools, he is stalking schools, plural. He owns at least 3 uniforms for 3 different schools (1 primary school, 2 secondary schools, in different towns about 5 miles apart).

This.

’I only ask as most people who pose a threat to society would make more of an effort to hide their behaviour if it might look dodgy’

No. Sadistic exhibitionists do it because they want a reaction.

It's a sexual offence to parade your paraphilia outside a school and co-opt children and non-consenting onlookers into your fetish.

The problem is that it's considered transphobic or 'kink shaming' to name it as a fetish. And Essex police are fully bought into the ideology.

In the meantime, children and predominantly women (but dads on the school run too) have to tolerate having their boundaries violated by this pervert.

And why the hell would you do that ?

He's standing in the street dressed in an odd way , that is NOT in any way a sexual offence

Lots of comments on Facebook about him being ‘mentally ill’ and needing to be taken into care etc.
Some people have a strange idea of mental illness and now people are ‘taken away’
from the information we have there seems no evidence that he is mentally unwell. He is just exercising his freedom of choice for which many (not me) would applaud him.

If he was hanging about elsewhere in ‘women’ clothing’ many people feel this is a good thing. The location and choice of clothing here isn’t massively different in terms of the law…

If he turns up in the box-pleated girl's skirt he bought I wonder if the police will be more concerned.

One of these men whose hard drive needs to be looked at.
Agreed.
No man needs to loiter around schools regularly, no man needs to be wearing a girl's school uniform, and both together is a whole load of safeguarding red flags.

Because the basis for his dressing in an ‘odd’ way is sexual. It’s a fetish. If I rocked up to the school gates in leather bondage gear, the Head would want a word. Just because it doesn’t show his cock, doesn’t mean he’s not exposing his sexual fantasy.

*'Chersfrozenface · Today 09:11

Holdmycoat · Today 09:06

There needs to be a law change to prohibit this kind of behaviour. Its like stalking, somebody literally has to be injured or worse before they'll do anything! It is often too late. This man is stalking the school.

Schools, he is stalking schools, plural. He owns at least 3 uniforms for 3 different schools (1 primary school, 2 secondary schools, in different towns about 5 miles apart).'*

Jesus, this is appalling. How on earth is this legal! What a pathetic system we have in the UK! When people say what harm is he doing. He is scaring children, stalking schools, and this should be enough for the police to move him on.

This is obviously a fetish about school girls and we should all point this out, rather than just say whats the harm, he's a sad old man, anyone can buy a school uniform etc. And even if he is an old man he could still physically overpower a small teenage girl.

I saw this reported on twitter and read that he did try to gain entry to the school site by climbing closed gates.

Sexual paraphillias tend to escalate we need to remember that. Its a small step from riding school buses to sexual assault.

I think this may only relate to Scotland but..

I would have thought it would be fair to say that Section 38 (1) b could apply...

www.legislation.gov.uk/asp/2010/13/section/38

This is an extract, my 'bolding'

38 Threatening or abusive behaviour
(1) A person (“A”) commits an offence if—
(a) A behaves in a threatening or abusive manner,
(b) the behaviour would be likely to cause a reasonable person to suffer fear or alarm, and
(c) A intends by the behaviour to cause fear or alarm or is reckless as to whether the behaviour would cause fear or alarm.
(2) It is a defence for a person charged with an offence under subsection (1) to show that the behaviour was, in the particular circumstances, reasonable.
(3) Subsection (1) applies to—
(a) behaviour of any kind including, in particular, things said or otherwise communicated as well as things done, and
(b) behaviour consisting of—
(i) a single act, or
(ii) a course of conduct.
(4) A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) is liable—
(a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years, or to a fine, or to both, or
(b) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 12 months, or to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or to both.

It is naive in the extreme to write this off as an innocent eccentricity.

How bizarre that your ire is directed at me.

Glad this has been publicised and his picture put out there.

I hope the Police will “have a word” and if not I’m sure some locals will. He must be told in no uncertain terms that his behaviour is perverted and he needs to Fuck the Fuck off.

Because over the last few years we, many women, have learned that this behaviour leads to other behaviours and women, girls, kids, get hurt. We have also learned that experience informs all sorts of expert in psychology, psychiatry, offender profiling etc, that this sort of behaviour escalates, that maybe 2 years ago he only dressed like that at home, now he has 2 sets of school uniforms, an infants school is also mentioned in that article, and he gets as close to kids as he can, daily!

"He poses no risk" is a guess. Regardless of any other issues he may or may not have, this behaviour is unusual and, in even the most simply written of books on the subject, is on a very real, escalating continuum of behaviours.

Why would anyone who has a kid at either of those 2 schools 'calm down' about this?

I know my dh would. He despises paedophiles and if he thought for one second that a man was getting a sexual thrill from standing outside his children’s school dressed as a school girl, he would be there in a heart beat

'Some people have a strange idea of mental illness and now people are ‘taken away’
from the information we have there seems no evidence that he is mentally unwell. He is just exercising his freedom of choice for which many (not me) would applaud him.'

He isn't walking around going about his daily business. He is stalking schools, this isn't a cross dresser in a shopping centre!

I despair at this country. How many times have women and children been attacked and murdered only to find out later that the perpetrator had a string of offences that never got past a quick chat from the police?

Sick weirdo, entitled man.

My apologies - 3 different schools!

Interesting that the Essex police statement doesn't describe him as a 'man', but a 'person' or 'individual'.

How telling - and disappointing.