Page 5 | To think that caring about what is fashionable is childish?

QuertyGirl · 2023-01-18T13:03:49+00:00

Or at least portrays a massive lack of confidence? I can understand it in teenagers- you're still developing both physically and as a person and conformity is safety. But for adults? Why would an adult choose clothes because they're "in" as opposed to whether or not you, personally suit them? That they make you happy, comfortable or make you comfortable? See plenty of threads on here asking exactly that.

Tekkentime · 18/01/2023 14:35

Capitalism tells them to buy it, so they buy it.

Then they complain about the environment, worker's rights, sexism, societal expectations and slavery.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 18/01/2023 14:35

MotherOfHouseplants · 18/01/2023 14:20

Have you considered why there might be a lack of confidence behind the posts that you see on here? They generally come from women who have lost themselves a bit in the maelstrom of pregnancy, birth, and early parenthood, then when they are ready to re-engage with their professional and social lives realise that all of their knowledge about fashion is out of date and that they need to dress a body which might have changed size and / or shape. What could possibly be wrong with asking for some guidance in those situations and who the fuck do you think you are, calling them childish?

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However I think that OP's stance is that you should be above it all and superior, like her

Kanaloa · 18/01/2023 14:38

mousehousehiest · 18/01/2023 14:11

I really wouldn't say that fast fashion is harmless. Harmless to tye wearer, legal slavery to the women forced to make the garments in sweat shop type conditions.

There was a documentary about Indian women who worked for one of the big fast fashion chains (oh they do care) and she said the women all tried to strike, the owners called a meeting fooling the women into thinking they could negotiate better working conditions/ pay. What actually happened was they locked the doors and beat the women up terribly.

Another woman had to send her daughter to live with relatives in the countryside (who was looking after other children in the family for the same reasons) She was working so long and so hard that the child was alone for a lot of the time and so instead she heat the hild away qnd sent whatever money she could to keep her.

Another story was workers complaining about the building they worked in, the walls were crumbling and the workers were worried about their safety. The building collapsed killing everyone inside.

This isn't even touching the ecological problems caused by fast fashion.

Charity shops, passing on clothes and picking classic cuts that suit you really will change the world.

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People always spout this stuff when it’s about women’s clothes. What did you type that reply out on, out of curiosity?

Unless you are a super ethical consumer who only buys local and doesn’t support any of those type of industries, you don’t really have the right to sneer at others.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 18/01/2023 14:38

it's sort of comical how you think that you've made a choice that exempts you from the fashion industry when, in fact, you're wearing the sweater that was selected for you by the people in this room... from a pile of "stuff".

An iconic quote. Exactly what I thought of when I read this post.

NotAnotherBathBomb · 18/01/2023 14:40

SpentDandelion · 18/01/2023 14:23

Following fashion shows a total lack of imagination, and the best compliment l ever get is " You have your very own look "
Sheep follow sheep, much better to be authentic and unique. I love that my 17 yr son is exactly the same as well as my sister who picks up most of her clothes from charity shops.

All of the ⭐️⭐️⭐️ for you

Cam22 · 18/01/2023 14:40

Chubbernut · 18/01/2023 13:13

YABU

It’s no more “childish” than many of the things I’m sure you care about. Consider running, that’s childish, trying to go as fast as possible for as long as possible? Childish. Travelling, just going to see new things even though you could just do the things you already know you like? Childish. What about pet ownership? Playing with something that doesn’t even speak or communicate properly and makes a mess? Childish.

Fashion is actually really interesting and complex. It’s part art and part science. There are interesting elements controlled by biology and human nature that are permanent. Then there are other parts connected to society and culture that change frequently and recycle. There are certain styles and patterns and colours that suit different people and manipulate so much of how we look and express ourselves. I say this as someone who know almost nothing of high fashion and lives my life in leggings. I don’t have to personally enjoy it to recognise the importance and impact of it.

You know what’s childish? Insulting things just because you don’t personally enjoy them.

I think it’s just a topic for discussion. No need for your last sentence. 🙄

Kanaloa · 18/01/2023 14:45

SpentDandelion · 18/01/2023 14:23

Following fashion shows a total lack of imagination, and the best compliment l ever get is " You have your very own look "
Sheep follow sheep, much better to be authentic and unique. I love that my 17 yr son is exactly the same as well as my sister who picks up most of her clothes from charity shops.

So you, your sister, and your son (ie your family/social group) are all ‘authentically unique’ and everyone else is a sheep? But aren’t you then just encouraging your son to conform to the social norms of his family? Or are you all somehow authentically unique together? The fact is that nobody is really unique. Reminds me a bit of when I was a kid and some people dressed grunge/emo and would bleat about they weren’t ‘basic’ or ‘one of the sheep’ but in fact they were just sheep of a different flock! They had to be different to fit in with a different group.

Reugny · 18/01/2023 14:47

Pudmyboy · 18/01/2023 14:33

I do wonder if they use their children's drawings for inspiration....

The look that will end up on the high street will use some elements of that outlandish design e.g. the colour and the trim.

Cath667 · 18/01/2023 14:49

Sulusu · 18/01/2023 14:32

Each to their own, but I do get annoyed when I see how much money people spend on things like clothes or face cream, it's obscene to me. I tend to hide threads from style and beauty on active on mumsnet for this reason.

As you say, each to their own. Don't let it annoy you.

Cath667 · 18/01/2023 14:52

I'm in my 50s. I love following fashion, I always have. I try to wear what suits me but I like to know what is fashionable. My sil wears jeans and fleeces and trainers. It doesn't matter. Neither of us are hurting anyone else.

10HailMarys · 18/01/2023 14:52

I don't think an interest in fashion is childish. I don't think it's any different to an interest in any other visual/creative subject.

I do think it's both childish and unpleasant to sneer at people's interests and to make assumptions about their confidence, or lack thereof, on that basis. You sound very judgemental - certainly much more judgemental than any of the fashion and style enthusiasts I know.

MotherOfHouseplants · 18/01/2023 14:58

Sulusu · 18/01/2023 14:32

Each to their own, but I do get annoyed when I see how much money people spend on things like clothes or face cream, it's obscene to me. I tend to hide threads from style and beauty on active on mumsnet for this reason.

You could have stopped after the first four words.

You can hide whole topics if you wish, including Style and Beauty.

To think that caring about what is fashionable is childish?

Iknowafew · 18/01/2023 15:04

I was wearing combat trousers as a teen from army surplus shops, I’m now in my fifties and still wear them but can buy from outdoor shops. They have lots of pockets.

I think slavishly following fashion is daft but if people actually like a trend then fine. It would be a shame to think people wear stuff they dint like just because it’s in fashion, do they ?

Forthelast · 18/01/2023 15:04

JackieDaws · 18/01/2023 13:11

Because it's fun, humans have always loved fashion, and IMO, I want to look like I care about myself. No sensible blue wash boot cut jeans, sweatshirt and pageboy bob here. I see this look so much around my local area. "Jonty darling, do as mummy asks please".

Your petty forejudgement is far more twee than a page boy haircut.

CaptainCorellisXylophone · 18/01/2023 15:09

I think that being interested in or aware of current fashion is not, being obsessed with it is.

Also style is not the same as fashion.

Calphurnia88 · 18/01/2023 15:11

TheKeatingFive · 18/01/2023 13:51

Not at all, some people get a lot of joy out of it.

Being sneery about fashion strikes me as insecure. Don't get me wrong, I doubt anyone would call me fashionable, but I do enjoy clothes. I have friends who are really engaged with trends and they get a kick out of that, it's just their thing.

I agree with this. For some people fashion is an interest/hobby (albeit one with a hugely negative impact on the environment - unless you buy secondhand - but that's not the point of the thread).

I would also argue that there are so many trends nowadays that it's possible to be fashionable and wear clothing that suits you. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Forthelast · 18/01/2023 15:16

Kanaloa · 18/01/2023 14:38

People always spout this stuff when it’s about women’s clothes. What did you type that reply out on, out of curiosity?

Unless you are a super ethical consumer who only buys local and doesn’t support any of those type of industries, you don’t really have the right to sneer at others.

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Just so I understand, are you saying that fast fashion does not have ethical implications for women in underdeveloped countries? Or are you saying that you will police anyone's right to care about it and talk about it out of existence in order to silence an inconvenient topic? I'm really not sure what you expect to happen except more of the same if no one raises the issue and I'm wondering if that's ok with you since you're not the one in a sweatshop.

DappledThings · 18/01/2023 15:22

This is why I have to hide the S&B board. So many of the thread titles make me want to reply, "who fucking cares? Make your own decision" and that would be rude.

"Will white trainers still be in this year?"
Seriously who cares? Do you like them? Then wear them. Don't chuck them out if they aren't worn out.

5128gap · 18/01/2023 15:27

People like to wear new styles.
Other people like the message being seen out in new styles gives (to those who recognise them as such anyway.)
I don't think the first is any more childish than any other interest, and most people do the second to some extent, whether it's through clothes, choice of car/house/hairstyle.
For me there's a balance. I wouldn't wear something current that didn't make me look good, but nor would I wear something that I thought would read as too outdated, as I don't want to give the message that I'm completely out of touch.

Calphurnia88 · 18/01/2023 15:29

SpentDandelion · 18/01/2023 14:23

Following fashion shows a total lack of imagination, and the best compliment l ever get is " You have your very own look "
Sheep follow sheep, much better to be authentic and unique. I love that my 17 yr son is exactly the same as well as my sister who picks up most of her clothes from charity shops.

Depop (the clothing resale app) has grown exponentially since it launched in 2011, was bought by Etsy in 2021 for 1.6bn dollars, and has over 30 million active users with 90% of them under the age of 26.

Buying second hand from charity shops or online platforms, whilst undoubtedly is a superior option to fast fashion, is incredibly popular amongst young people. So kudos to your children but they're doing what millions of young adults their age are doing.

Greatly · 18/01/2023 15:31

Kanaloa · 18/01/2023 14:38

People always spout this stuff when it’s about women’s clothes. What did you type that reply out on, out of curiosity?

Unless you are a super ethical consumer who only buys local and doesn’t support any of those type of industries, you don’t really have the right to sneer at others.

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Do you know, that is an excellent point - that it's always about women's clothes!

I love fashion even though I'm in my late fifties. Sometimes I might even look - horror of horrors - like I'm dressing too young for my age. Go me.

Greatly · 18/01/2023 15:33

Calphurnia88 · 18/01/2023 15:29

Depop (the clothing resale app) has grown exponentially since it launched in 2011, was bought by Etsy in 2021 for 1.6bn dollars, and has over 30 million active users with 90% of them under the age of 26.

Buying second hand from charity shops or online platforms, whilst undoubtedly is a superior option to fast fashion, is incredibly popular amongst young people. So kudos to your children but they're doing what millions of young adults their age are doing.

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Yes most teens are doing this - its fashionable!

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/01/2023 15:38

So l have degree in fashion and MA in fashion/anthropology/street style.

The comments about it being vacuous and childish are so wrong and… well childish. It shows a basic lack of understanding about how society glues together.

Fashion is reflection of wider issues in society. It’s not just a ‘dumb thing that people do’ People need to find tribes and allegiances to belong to. Even the anti fashion people on here are saying something. Basically that they are morally suoerior without understanding the reasoning.

Some people are more aesthetically motivated than others. This is what drives it. It is neither vacuous or empty. I’m 59, and still interested.

Every item that anyone wears can be decided. Even the ones who have ‘no interest’ Boring goes and a nasty fleece say just as much as someone who wears the latest fashions.

And even within the latest fashions there are different groups. Minimalist, quirky, teen, street style, surf brands, Primark. They all say something about the wearer.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 18/01/2023 15:39

Every item that anyone wears can be decoded

StrychnineInTheSandwiches · 18/01/2023 15:45

I was also was reminded of the blue jumper scene from The Devil Wears Prada.

But OP wears 'whatever she likes' apparently...