To not feel safe in changing rooms anymore?

[WandaWomblesaurus]

nypost.com/2023/01/14/sighting-of-trans-womans-penis-in-ymca-locker-room-sparks-tears/

Another story about an inappropriate man in a woman's changing room - is this what we are going to see more of in the UK now too? Having been both flashed and sexually assaulted in a public place, this chills me to the bone. Men who get a thrill out of exposing themselves to women will use any opportunity to do so. To think that they won't abuse women's spaces is to be wilfully and dangerously naive.

YANBU - Not unreasonable to think that flashing is flashing regardless of self ID and magical feelings.

YABU - Be kind to men etc etc

If you can't understand how men are different from women even on a fundamental basic level and how women are vulnerable and also deserve privacy and dignity, then I don't know what else to say to you. Your posts demonstrate an incredible lack of critical thinking and basic common sense.

Very rare I’m sure but an awful ordeal for a child.
“Katie Dolatowski Past crimes
“In February 2018 Katie Dolatowski filmed a 12-year-old-girl who was using the toilet in a female bathroom at a supermarket in Dunfermline. A month later, he sexually assaulted a 10-year-old girl in the women’s toilets at a supermarket in Kirkcaldy. He grabbed the terrified child by the face, forced her into a cubicle and ordered her to take off her clothes, threatening to stab her if she did not comply.

He pleaded guilty to voyeurism and sexual assault charges and was given a three-year community payback order, placed on the sex offenders register and banned from having any contact with children. In 2019, Dolatowski was back in court twice accused of deleting the internet history on his phone and then of making ‘alarming’ internet searches.

In 2022 it was revealed that Dolatowski had been accommodated in a domestic violence refuge for vulnerable women and children after he tricked the centre’s staff by using a false name and pretending to be an abuse victim to gain access.”
grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/this-never-happens

Tbh this may be the answer - I’ve never liked seeing naked women walking about getting changed either, ( and would hate even more to see naked men ) and have always headed for the cubicles but often they aren’t free as so few of them, so I’d welcome more of them and the communal changing becoming less of a thing. If it’s mixed though please get changing rooms cleaned more regularly!!

We need to stop calling them transwomen. They are no kind of women. They love that word "women" which is why they stopped calling them transvestites. They are men. Trans identifying men. TIM.

To be honest, Lincoln, "gullible" is kind as fuck. I'd put you down as "wilfully ignorant" myself.

@Lincolnremain " you'd be far more realistic to worry about people who have regular contact with children "

Yes, we are! We used to call them teachers/school governors, sadly however, they seem to be far too busy teaching kids this rubbish!

@BillyNotQuiteNoMates " Validating a full range of genders that never existed until now. "

There, i've fixed your post for you. You're welcome!

If you can't understand how men are different from women even on a fundamental basic level and how women are vulnerable and also deserve privacy and dignity, then I don't know what else to say to you. Your posts demonstrate an incredible lack of critical thinking and basic common sense.

I just don't think the same way that you do about this.

I am a woman with daughters, I just don't think this is our biggest threat.

Pornography is a much much bigger issue and tainting young people's views on sex and relationships

All these arguments went on about gay people

One’s wearing a dress? Possibly. How do you tell the difference between a man and a trans woman wearing men’s clothes🤷‍♀️ Do you just declare you’re a trans woman and hey presto you’re a woman? I’ve no idea. Years ago you had the occasional transsexual and everyone still got on with their lives but today’s self obsession culture has turned what was a genuine issue into fad/fashion/quick fix answer to their problems that we have to bow down to and just accept the detrimental changes it makes to women’s lives without fuss for fear of being ‘transphobic’. What happened to the word transsexual, why isn’t that being used anymore, oh yeah because most trans women still have, to use Prince Harry’s favourite word, a todger!

I am just trying to get my head round being in a women’s changing room with a young child and having to say that man is a woman because he says he is.

Have you just assumed my gender? I just find the hysteria on here laughable. FYI I’m heavily involved in women’s rights. Attend buffer zone rallies etc etc I just don’t believe in all the whataboutery from people like you.

And it’s a terrible thing but that isn’t what this thread is about so don’t deflect.

And it is hysteria. I bet half of these people don't even know any trans people.

Keep it comin'. The petition's doing great

What about young boys having to change with the males? Just curious?

What about them?

Your daughters will reap what you sow as will your future granddaughters. Shame on you

Women losing our human rights and spaces is THE single biggest issue. There are around 250 examples of women being assaulted in womens spaces by men, in only 2 years. How much bigger an issue do you need?

And the phony 'gay people' comparison does not stack up. Because gay people weren't taking away anything from women. A gay man still used male facilities. A lesbian woman still used womens facilities. The analogy is an absurd strawman.

There have been so many examples and data linked on here that show trans women attack women at a HIGHER RATE than other males.

The evidence is in.

All these arguments went on about gay people

No they didn't. That's just really lazy thinking.

Gay rights campaigners never asked others to compromise their own safety or deny biological reality.

Nah, it's usually men who describe women as 'hysterical' in order to silence them. Bore off.

Pornography is a much much bigger issue and tainting young people's views on sex and relationships

Do you think it's completely unrelated to this issue?

How is it related?

No woman would use the term 'hysteria'. Exhibit A. Anyone involved in womens rights recognises the sex-based rights our foresister feminists fought for, and wouldn't take a shit on their graves.

As link after link after link, government data after government data shows, it is not 'whataboutery'. It has actually HAPPENED. Hundreds of times.

Maybe you weren't around in the 80s.
There was an awful lot of scaremongering and making gay people feel like freaks

As link after link proves, it is NOT 'hysteria'. I don't personally know any Nazis, but I know enough that I'd protect the rights of Jewish people. You clearly don't know any trans people yourself as you honestly think there is no difference between a trans woman and a man. It's clear you have absolutely no idea whatsoever what you are talking about, and your lack of education in this is obvious.

Maybe you weren't around in the 80s.

irrelevant

There was an awful lot of scaremongering and making gay people feel like freaks

Sure, but they didn't demand others compromise their rights or to deny biological reality and that's why your comparison is lazy and irrrelevant.

Anyone can use a mix sex space, woman who chose not to say on religion/moral grounds are being excluded by their choice. By excluding transwoman (also define when they become women, is it post surgery or post hormones) we are excluding them.