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AIBU to not give DH a medal for this shop?

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DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 09:55

I love DH more than anyone else on this planet and he's my absolute best friend. He's kind, he's smart, he's interesting, he's handsome, he's witty, he's fun. But, he is completely fucking incompetent and it drives me insane. I have to do everything. Granted, he works very hard, when being micromanaged to the nth degree and would work 24/7 if asked - but, unless given explicitly clear instructions, everything he does just falls apart. It's 10x more work for both us so I don't think it's even "strategic incompetence".

A few months ago, it all came to a head. I expressed how unbelievably miserable it was making me to always have to be the only real adult in the relationship, that his incompetence is hurting me and that he's a grown adult who should be able to cope with all of these things. He fully accepted the problem and the responsibility to fix it. Since then, to my mind, things have not improved enough. To his mind, he has improved and is trying.

He outlined his examples:

  • "Offering to help with [an aspect of my job]" - (Essentially, I give a lot of presentations and it's useful to run through those with someone before I give them. For years, when I ask DH, he'll say yes and then try to avoid it meaning that I waste huge amounts of time waiting for him (like "oh, sure, I'll just go to the bathroom and then we'll run through it" - but then he goes off and does something else and doesn't come back so I spent ages waiting for him for no reason). He says that he's massively improved on that - but, to my memory, he's not helped me one single time since the big argument - he's just promised to, which is no change from before. I've said it's fine to say no but he won't, he'll just lead me on. It's worth noting that he has expertise in an area which is why it's useful to have his input and I have expertise in an area of his work and frequently help him out with his.
  • "Keeping the house tidy" - We've had to cancel his family coming over twice since the big argument because the house was too messy and I refused to tidy the whole house by myself for his guests. Any tidying he's done has been under explicit instructions from me (literally to the point of "there's some rubbish, put that in the bin", "that's DS's shoe, put that in the cupboard"). When left to tidy by himself, I'll return an hour later and it's literally not tidier - he'll have moved one pile of crap to one place and put another pile of crap where it was. The only exception to this is the dishwasher, which DH insists on doing every single night before bed, regardless of how much actually needs to go into it. To my memory, he's not done any tidying at all without being explicitly asked other than the dishwasher. In fairness to him, he does also do laundry and has some kind of "system" that I can't fathom for where he puts different baskets depending on whether they're clean/dirty/wet/dry and then split by person...I don't understand his system so I don't touch it and leave him to it. It apparently works for him (except on the frequent occasions that he can't find anything, when he's not sure if a basket is clean or dirty and when wet baskets get forgotten about and need rewashing) so I don't micromanage that and just leave him to his chaos "system". He has not swept, hoovered, wiped, mopped, dusted...
  • "Taken charge of food deliveries...I did the last one without any support" - He's done two. The first one I sat with him, with a list and told him exactly what to put in the basket, in exact quantities. The second one, I told him some things that were needed (shampoo, conditioner, nappies etc) but left him to it. He bought the non-food items I asked for but, in terms of just food, he bought: sausage rolls, juice, pasta frozen ready meal, smoked salmon, cream cheese, cheddar, apples, crisps, squeezy fruit pouches, bear strawberry yoyos, frozen pizza, curly fries, avocados, milk, bread, bananas. This is to sustain a family of four, for a week. Keep in mind, I can't have dairy so I'm not able to eat the sausage rolls, the pasta ready meal, the cream cheese, the cheddar, the frozen pizzas or the milk. I'm baffled as to how he believes that this is a sign he's done something good. I feel like it's what a 10yo would buy.
  • "Dealing with DS and DD issues in the morning (like nappies and feeding) and not just fucking off" - ok, yeah, if one of the DCs need a nappy change or DD is crying for milk and I'm not there then he will now change/feed them instead of waiting for me to come back and sort it out. I'm not sure why that's such a huge win though.

AIBU to expect more "progress" than this in three months? Granted, he has made progress, he did do a Tesco delivery by himself and he does change nappies/feed the baby if it happens right in front of him and he does load and put on the dishwasher. Am I being too harsh?

YABU - He's made some progress so that shows he is putting in effort, stick at it and he'll get there.
YANBU - He's made such slow progress that he's clearly not putting in any effort, cut your losses, he won't get there.

OP posts:
MMMarmite · 12/01/2023 10:00

If he's kind and smart but incompetent, have you looked into neurodivergence, like maybe ADHD? If he does have that, there are drugs and strategies that help.

If there's no ND, then tbh he does not sound kind to not pull his weight.

LolaSmiles · 12/01/2023 10:03

It really does sound like weaponised incompetence.

If it was one area of domestic life then it could be chalked up to frustrating individual quirks, but for this to be across all areas I don't think he's likely to change.

StopGo · 12/01/2023 10:07

It's weapons grade deliberate incompetence. He doesn't want to do any of these tasks. He 'helps' a bit to gaslight you.

UtterlyUnimaginativeUsername · 12/01/2023 10:08

If he really is such a good guy and does mean well, that all does suggest ADHD to me too, to be honest. He could investigate coping strategies for that anyway, with or without a diagnosis.

BarbaraofSeville · 12/01/2023 10:11

How does he manage at work if he's this incompetent?

Very few people would be able to stay in even a basic job if they required constant micromanagement to perform to an acceptable level.

He's either not making the effort because he doesn't see domestic duties as important, thinks it's beneath him, or don't matter because you'll just pick up the pieces and he's fine with that and doesn't care about your happiness/mental health, or he's similarly incapable at work, which it doesn't sound like that as you describe him as smart and hard working.

BlandSoup · 12/01/2023 10:14

What’s his job?

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:15

I am going to put my head above the carpet here and dare to suggest the OP sounded incredibly demanding. I do think the OP is being harsh.

BunchHarman · 12/01/2023 10:17

I truly couldn’t stand that. It would make me want to set him on fire.

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ChiefWiggumsBoy · 12/01/2023 10:21

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:15

I am going to put my head above the carpet here and dare to suggest the OP sounded incredibly demanding. I do think the OP is being harsh.

You're not serious?! He's being asked to do an online shop, help tidy the house without being given a list, and on occasion not fuck off when he's said he'll help troubleshoot a document. Oh, and let's not forget look after his own kids when OP isn't there. If he was this incompetent at work I doubt he'd be able to hold down any sort of job.

(also - don't know if it's a typo but it's parapet not carpet!)

BarbaraofSeville · 12/01/2023 10:21

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:15

I am going to put my head above the carpet here and dare to suggest the OP sounded incredibly demanding. I do think the OP is being harsh.

So he's wasted time and got nowhere when he said he would listen to a presentation.

Claims to be 'tidying up' but spends an hour getting nowhere.

Does laundry and dishwasher but incredibly inefficiently. Does no other cleaning.

Done two family food shops in 3 months, and bought a load of crap on the single occasion where he was left to decide what to buy.

Fair enough, he might have finally got looking after his own children in the morning instead of ignoring them when they need feeding or changing and the OP isn't there to do it.

Yup, the OP sounds like she's being incredibly demanding and unreasonably harsh to not be satisfied with that performance.

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 12/01/2023 10:22

I think you sound demanding too. I think having enough appropriate food for a family of four is a stretch too far if he's already having to change nappies when you're not there. 😂😂😂

Sparklfairy · 12/01/2023 10:22

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:15

I am going to put my head above the carpet here and dare to suggest the OP sounded incredibly demanding. I do think the OP is being harsh.

It's parapet love.

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:22

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Why? Just because I didn't agree with the OP? FFS I feel like every post I make unless being in agreement with the OP is accused of being nasty. I didn't say anything nasty, I just said I don't agree with the OP

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:23

Sparklfairy · 12/01/2023 10:22

It's parapet love.

What on earth is parapet love?

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 12/01/2023 10:25

@Keyansier the saying is "to put your head above the parapet" not carpet.

GerbilsForever24 · 12/01/2023 10:25

Right, this kind of imcompetence drives me mad and I feel your pain and that it needs to eb fixed.

Having said that, I do think you (together) need to create a better system.

  1. In terms of him helping you with your work - this is clearly not going to happen. Stop asking him. If he really wants to he can come to YOU and ask. But accept that he will not do it.
  2. who is responsible for meal planning? Because that is the person who should do the shopping. If I give DH a list, he is more than competent to go to the supermarket, by the food, bring it home and unpack it. He does not do meal planning or cooking so asking him to make the list is pointless.
  3. Laundry can continue to be his thing. Do not engage. If he is complaining he can't find an item or that things are not done, ignore them. DH went through a phase of huffing and puffing because he was hanging up washing late at night etc. I just ignored it. he has plenty of time to do washing during the day, if he can't organise it, then that's not my problem and I'll continue to watch the tv while he does it.
  4. If he's good at dishwasher filling and emptying, great, he can continue to do that. I would consider agreeing as ac couple that this needs to include the kitchen cleaning - wiping down of surfaces, cupboards etc. Putting away whatever on the counter etc etc.
  5. Figure out what other tasks he can and should take on. If he struggles with organisation, agree together that he does these things at set times eg he has to change bedding on Mondays and clean bathrooms one Fridays.

Having said all that, his incompetence when it comes to realising snappy needs changing or a child needs feeding would probably cause me to lose any interest in maintaining a relationship with him.

Workinghardeveryday · 12/01/2023 10:25

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You again?

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:26

Reading the replies, posters seem to agree with the OP an disagree with me - that's fine IMO. But I don't think I posted anything that needs to be reported just simply for disagreeing with the majority of posters on this thread so far.

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:28

GiveMyHeadPeaceffs · 12/01/2023 10:25

@Keyansier the saying is "to put your head above the parapet" not carpet.

😂Just googled it and the saying now makes more sense. I didn't understand how people could raise their head above a carpet 😂

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 10:29

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:15

I am going to put my head above the carpet here and dare to suggest the OP sounded incredibly demanding. I do think the OP is being harsh.

Could you explain how so? Genuinely interested to see if I should be acting differently here.

By the way, it’s “above the parapet”, your head should always be above the carpet.

I have a sneaking suspicion you only feel that way because I called you out on another thread.

OP posts:
GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/01/2023 10:29

YANBU

Except that having a regular expectation to listen to someone else’s work presentation would make me want to do anything else on Earth first. Same as people wanting you to read their book, look at their art (I mean adults) etc. It’s your job/ hobby leave me alone!

But otherwise as others have said

ssd · 12/01/2023 10:32

I dont get why @Keyansier needs reporting, as for the 'you again', really? Do we need permission to post here??

ConfusedNT · 12/01/2023 10:35

@DinnerThyme I have one of these too and it's because he has executive disfunction (at the start that was also coupled with laziness but hes got past that now)

What I have found helpful is to give my DH one job that he carries through from start to finish because he finds it easier that way.

So because he likes cooking he does the majority of that. But that means he also does the shopping, which means he does rhe meal planning (otherwise we end up with 4 yoghurts and a stick of celery) and he does the washing up and tidies the kitchen (not very well but well enough)

What it means is anything food related is no longer in my head to sort out and he is entirely responsible which means if he messes up the shopping he has to sort it or he can't do the cooking. (it possibly only really works for us because he is a man that would never miss a meal )

It sounds like your DH functions fine on a system (like the laundry) but not well in chaos/unsystemed processes like tidying up. so maybe pass more of the system stuff over to him?

Not entirely helpful when it comes to getting him to do more parenting though as children are inherently chaotic.

LittleBlueBrioTrain · 12/01/2023 10:35

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:23

What on earth is parapet love?

😆 Brilliant