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AIBU to not give DH a medal for this shop?

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DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 09:55

I love DH more than anyone else on this planet and he's my absolute best friend. He's kind, he's smart, he's interesting, he's handsome, he's witty, he's fun. But, he is completely fucking incompetent and it drives me insane. I have to do everything. Granted, he works very hard, when being micromanaged to the nth degree and would work 24/7 if asked - but, unless given explicitly clear instructions, everything he does just falls apart. It's 10x more work for both us so I don't think it's even "strategic incompetence".

A few months ago, it all came to a head. I expressed how unbelievably miserable it was making me to always have to be the only real adult in the relationship, that his incompetence is hurting me and that he's a grown adult who should be able to cope with all of these things. He fully accepted the problem and the responsibility to fix it. Since then, to my mind, things have not improved enough. To his mind, he has improved and is trying.

He outlined his examples:

  • "Offering to help with [an aspect of my job]" - (Essentially, I give a lot of presentations and it's useful to run through those with someone before I give them. For years, when I ask DH, he'll say yes and then try to avoid it meaning that I waste huge amounts of time waiting for him (like "oh, sure, I'll just go to the bathroom and then we'll run through it" - but then he goes off and does something else and doesn't come back so I spent ages waiting for him for no reason). He says that he's massively improved on that - but, to my memory, he's not helped me one single time since the big argument - he's just promised to, which is no change from before. I've said it's fine to say no but he won't, he'll just lead me on. It's worth noting that he has expertise in an area which is why it's useful to have his input and I have expertise in an area of his work and frequently help him out with his.
  • "Keeping the house tidy" - We've had to cancel his family coming over twice since the big argument because the house was too messy and I refused to tidy the whole house by myself for his guests. Any tidying he's done has been under explicit instructions from me (literally to the point of "there's some rubbish, put that in the bin", "that's DS's shoe, put that in the cupboard"). When left to tidy by himself, I'll return an hour later and it's literally not tidier - he'll have moved one pile of crap to one place and put another pile of crap where it was. The only exception to this is the dishwasher, which DH insists on doing every single night before bed, regardless of how much actually needs to go into it. To my memory, he's not done any tidying at all without being explicitly asked other than the dishwasher. In fairness to him, he does also do laundry and has some kind of "system" that I can't fathom for where he puts different baskets depending on whether they're clean/dirty/wet/dry and then split by person...I don't understand his system so I don't touch it and leave him to it. It apparently works for him (except on the frequent occasions that he can't find anything, when he's not sure if a basket is clean or dirty and when wet baskets get forgotten about and need rewashing) so I don't micromanage that and just leave him to his chaos "system". He has not swept, hoovered, wiped, mopped, dusted...
  • "Taken charge of food deliveries...I did the last one without any support" - He's done two. The first one I sat with him, with a list and told him exactly what to put in the basket, in exact quantities. The second one, I told him some things that were needed (shampoo, conditioner, nappies etc) but left him to it. He bought the non-food items I asked for but, in terms of just food, he bought: sausage rolls, juice, pasta frozen ready meal, smoked salmon, cream cheese, cheddar, apples, crisps, squeezy fruit pouches, bear strawberry yoyos, frozen pizza, curly fries, avocados, milk, bread, bananas. This is to sustain a family of four, for a week. Keep in mind, I can't have dairy so I'm not able to eat the sausage rolls, the pasta ready meal, the cream cheese, the cheddar, the frozen pizzas or the milk. I'm baffled as to how he believes that this is a sign he's done something good. I feel like it's what a 10yo would buy.
  • "Dealing with DS and DD issues in the morning (like nappies and feeding) and not just fucking off" - ok, yeah, if one of the DCs need a nappy change or DD is crying for milk and I'm not there then he will now change/feed them instead of waiting for me to come back and sort it out. I'm not sure why that's such a huge win though.

AIBU to expect more "progress" than this in three months? Granted, he has made progress, he did do a Tesco delivery by himself and he does change nappies/feed the baby if it happens right in front of him and he does load and put on the dishwasher. Am I being too harsh?

YABU - He's made some progress so that shows he is putting in effort, stick at it and he'll get there.
YANBU - He's made such slow progress that he's clearly not putting in any effort, cut your losses, he won't get there.

OP posts:
parietal · 12/01/2023 10:36

give up on having him listen to your work presentations. practice to a teddy bear instead.

who does the cooking? the person who cooks should also meal plan & shop. So if you can give him 100% responsibilty for feeding the family on 2 days of the week (say), then he can shop & plan & cook for those days and leave you free.
i started that with my DH 10 years ago and he now shops & cooks 5 days per week because likes it!

tidying - I have never found a solution to train DH in that. I have a pretty high tolerance for mess, and the kids do more than DH. I tidy my things + kids things. His stuff gets chucked in his office for him to sort. Occasionally, he actually does.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/01/2023 10:37

Head above the carpet? Isn’t it parapet?

Nicecow · 12/01/2023 10:38

What does he do for a job? That should give us an idea of how competent he is and what he's capable of. If you need to sit next to him for him to do a Tesco order then surely something is wrong with him??

oudie · 12/01/2023 10:39

AIBU to expect more "progress" than this in three months?

He isn't project. He is a lazy shit.

YABU - He's made some progress so that shows he is putting in effort, stick at it and he'll get there.

You honestly sound like you are describing a child with additional needs here, not a grown adult.

Stop infantilising him and face up to the facts. His slow progress is choice and disrespect for you.

Whadda · 12/01/2023 10:39

Does he hold down a job?

Because if he does and he can perform tasks in work without someone on his back and having to micromanage him you’re being taken for an even bigger fool.

NibbledSwitch · 12/01/2023 10:40

This sums it up nicely

AIBU to not give DH a medal for this shop?
DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 10:42

GerbilsForever24 · 12/01/2023 10:25

Right, this kind of imcompetence drives me mad and I feel your pain and that it needs to eb fixed.

Having said that, I do think you (together) need to create a better system.

  1. In terms of him helping you with your work - this is clearly not going to happen. Stop asking him. If he really wants to he can come to YOU and ask. But accept that he will not do it.
  2. who is responsible for meal planning? Because that is the person who should do the shopping. If I give DH a list, he is more than competent to go to the supermarket, by the food, bring it home and unpack it. He does not do meal planning or cooking so asking him to make the list is pointless.
  3. Laundry can continue to be his thing. Do not engage. If he is complaining he can't find an item or that things are not done, ignore them. DH went through a phase of huffing and puffing because he was hanging up washing late at night etc. I just ignored it. he has plenty of time to do washing during the day, if he can't organise it, then that's not my problem and I'll continue to watch the tv while he does it.
  4. If he's good at dishwasher filling and emptying, great, he can continue to do that. I would consider agreeing as ac couple that this needs to include the kitchen cleaning - wiping down of surfaces, cupboards etc. Putting away whatever on the counter etc etc.
  5. Figure out what other tasks he can and should take on. If he struggles with organisation, agree together that he does these things at set times eg he has to change bedding on Mondays and clean bathrooms one Fridays.

Having said all that, his incompetence when it comes to realising snappy needs changing or a child needs feeding would probably cause me to lose any interest in maintaining a relationship with him.

Thank you - some great point.

He does ask me now about helping with work. That’s the thing. Since a few months ago, he offers to help, I say yes and then he says he’ll be back and doesn’t come back or distracts with something else.

I meal plan but because of how deliveries are rubbish with their dates, the days will vary depending on the use by dates of ingredients when they arrive. Most ingredients are also interchangeable. So I’d buy prawns/chicken/pork/beef and peppers/onions/mushrooms/etc and then decide which dish on which day depending on how they’ll last. I can use any of those to make sweet and sour/curry/fajitas/pasta by using store cupboard items. DH knows which meals we have and which ingredients they require.

You’re right. I literally ignore laundry but it’s hard not to get very annoyed when I can’t ever find what I need or things I’d like for DC. Sometimes I have clean, unworn clothes and they’ll end up in the wash and they’ll be wet or have been wet for three days and need rewashing or things go in the tumble dryer and get ruined. It’s not a battle that’s worth tackling at this point.

I agree with respect to the dishwasher but unfortunately, it wouldn’t happen unless I’ll micromanage it. I’d say “have you cleared the side” and he’d say yes and seem to genuinely believe it until I point out a dozen things still there. He seems to think things live on work surfaces.

By way of an example, with giving jobs, say he has to change bedding on a Monday. He’ll delay until gone DC’s bedtime. Then he’ll not be able to find new ones because of the laundry chaos. Then he’ll say “oh, all the beds? I just did one bed” or he’ll not change pillow cases etc etc. It’ll be done badly to the point he shouldn’t have bothered at all.

OP posts:
GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/01/2023 10:42

Oh someone sent me that this morning @NibbledSwitch !

Whyisitsososohard · 12/01/2023 10:43

I love the phrase head about the carpet 😂

Anyway no yanbu. A few thoughts, how does he got on at work? He seems innatentive and unfocused. Does he forget things at work? This is a big indicator of whether it's deliberate or not.

Him doing a few things suggested he's trying but if weaponized incompetentce it could be trying but being deliberately terrible. Or he could be trying and have issues which make him terrible.

How good your relationship is and how much you love him makes me really hope he is nd or has other issues.

This would drive me wild though and I think it's going to damage your relationship eventually.

Theunamedcat · 12/01/2023 10:43

Sparklfairy · 12/01/2023 10:22

It's parapet love.

It's carpet when your standards and expectations are this low

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 12/01/2023 10:44

Theunamedcat · 12/01/2023 10:43

It's carpet when your standards and expectations are this low

True!

RenegadeMrs · 12/01/2023 10:45

Look, I know this is an annoying response but is there any chance he has ADHD/ASD? You've said yourself you don't think it's strategic incompetance.

My friend is 39 and has been recently diagnosed and medicated for ADHD and it has helped him enormously. Not being able to keep track of all the everyday jobs that needed to be done (and get them done without prompting) were causing issues with his marriage as well.

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 12/01/2023 10:46

Sweetmotherofallthatisholyabov · 12/01/2023 10:22

I think you sound demanding too. I think having enough appropriate food for a family of four is a stretch too far if he's already having to change nappies when you're not there. 😂😂😂

Honestly it amazes me that as a species we have survived this far when half of us are given a pass for doing the most basic of duties.

And some have the audacity to say that 'wife work' and 'the mental load' isn't a thing!

Lentilweaver · 12/01/2023 10:46

Am really tired of ADHD constantly being trotted out to excuse incompetent men. Women would never get away with this.

iamme21 · 12/01/2023 10:47

This sounds incredibly like my DS who has just been diagnosed with combined inattentive hyperactive ADHD

SenseiOfDuty · 12/01/2023 10:47

Read up on Executive Function issues. Regardless of whether he's neurodiverse or not, he has executive function issues and by reading you might be able to support him.

Fwiw I'd believe that the problem exists, but how he's responding could be better. Admitting the situation would be a good first step rather than trying to convince you that he's improved.

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:49

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 10:29

Could you explain how so? Genuinely interested to see if I should be acting differently here.

By the way, it’s “above the parapet”, your head should always be above the carpet.

I have a sneaking suspicion you only feel that way because I called you out on another thread.

Did you? I get so-called "called out" a lot on threads. I don't remember your name, or post(s) though. I only posted what I did because I simply disagreed with you, not because of some past slight.

As you asked (and again, to reiterate, this is just MY opinion, not saying it's right or that other people need to be forced to agree with it): I disagreed with you because in the OP the way it was described I thought it sounded overly demanding and exhausting, controlling behaviour to be around. Even reading it by the end I felt exhausted!

AdoraBell · 12/01/2023 10:49

As a pp said, how does he manage with his job? Is he micromanaged every moment of his working day and doesn’t leave every task to the last minute and then mess it up? If not then he’s leaving everything to you because he wants to.

oudie · 12/01/2023 10:49

Poor man, huh.

Couldn't possible be lazy, must have ADHD Sad

Depressing as fuck.

rainbowstardrops · 12/01/2023 10:52

He would drive me crazy!
Does he manage perfectly fine at work or does he have a secretary/PA to wipe his arse for him?

deflatedbirthday · 12/01/2023 10:52

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:15

I am going to put my head above the carpet here and dare to suggest the OP sounded incredibly demanding. I do think the OP is being harsh.

Above the carpet?
Why was it under the carpet?

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 10:52

Keyansier · 12/01/2023 10:49

Did you? I get so-called "called out" a lot on threads. I don't remember your name, or post(s) though. I only posted what I did because I simply disagreed with you, not because of some past slight.

As you asked (and again, to reiterate, this is just MY opinion, not saying it's right or that other people need to be forced to agree with it): I disagreed with you because in the OP the way it was described I thought it sounded overly demanding and exhausting, controlling behaviour to be around. Even reading it by the end I felt exhausted!

Like I said, could you explain why? If your opinion is genuine (as it often appears not to be) and not simply posting something to disagree with others for a reaction, surely you can justify why you feel that way? What is demanding and controlling about my behaviour, what should I change?

OP posts:
TravelWeDo · 12/01/2023 10:54

I would sit down with him and make a list of every single fucking thing needing doing in the house and managing the kids. Ask him which ones he would like to do. Make sure he takes half, tell him if he doesn’t do half without prompting then your life will be easier with a split.
it’s always bandied around but if you can leave the kids with him for a week and stay even with family and friends and let him see what happens.

DinnerThyme · 12/01/2023 10:54

He’s a teacher, he performs fine from what I know. Never had any kind of disciplinary or progress issues or anything like that.

OP posts:
latetothefisting · 12/01/2023 10:54

Sounds a bit like he struggles to see when things need doing rather than not wanting to do them - if he manages to keep on top of the laundry using his system, which while clearly being different to the way you'd do it works OK, just replicate that, so rather than "you need to hoover as soon as its obvious it needs doing" (which might seem obvious to you but not to him) just agree "so hoovering is now your job, you need to do it every other day".

Same with dusting/mopping etc, his version of "when it needs to be done" is just not the same as yours and randoms on the Internet can't assess who is right or wrong so just remove the assessment part from the equation.

Food shopping - I can see your annoyance but it's not just as easy as doing an online shop, is it? It is quite a lot to go from having no input at all, to having to plan 21 meals a day for x amount of people, taking into account everyone's allergies, preferences, what you already have in the cupboard etc. Solution is either for him to keep doing it until he gets better and accept it might take a few weeks of odd meals and top up shops, or give him different jobs and you keep this one.

The presentation thing seems like a bit of overthinking. How much time elapses between you asking, him promising to listen to them and then not doing it? Because if it's something like "can you listen to my presentation some time this week" then its easy to see how he says yes but does other things in the meantime -everyone would!

Just say that day "dh can you listen to my presentation" him "yes" you "great shall we do it now?" Him "ohh I just need to...."
You: either (if its something like "go to the loo") great ill get everything set up ready to go in 5
Or (if its something like "cook dinner") nah we don't need to start on that yet, plus remember our discussion about how things keep getting put off and then not done and it makes me feel like you don't want to do it? Let's just do it now and then we won't get distracted.