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Nogbreaks · 19/12/2022 08:26

Feels Meghan has done to him to justify the vitriol and misogyny of that article he wrote where he’d like to see her naked and assaulted?

I mean WTF? How in earth did a major publication think that it was fine to publish his little sexual fantasy about hurting a woman like that?

I’m no fan of the Royals in any form, and could care less about their infighting, but why are we surprised that there is so much violence against women and girls when this kind of article by an influential man is seen as okay to write?
Where’s his description of a naked, vulnerable Harry being assaulted??

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hopeisathingwithfeathersx · 19/12/2022 09:54

The article was unacceptable, misogynistic, sexually violent. Should never have been written or printed.

ColadhSamh · 19/12/2022 09:54

ACynicalDad · 19/12/2022 08:35

I think Meghan is odious, but Clarkson’s comments were utterly appalling.

Clarkson's comments were 'utterly appalling' but you think Meghan is vile, hateful, unpleasant? Jesus wept. Tell us what you really think 🙄

LikeTearsInRain · 19/12/2022 09:54

This poll can’t be true. MN hates her. Largely for something about how she looks I suspect

ClarathecrosseyedLioness · 19/12/2022 09:56

Jeremey Clarkson is just an odious, overweight, bloated misogynist who appears to have some kind of an obsessive personalilty disorder.

Please let's not give him any more attention. 🙄

RaRaRaspoutine · 19/12/2022 09:57

The age-old thing of a man wanting a woman, and if he can't have her, he will destroy her, after getting off on making her vulnerable and afraid and hurt. It's DISGUSTING.

RaRaRaspoutine · 19/12/2022 09:58

LikeTearsInRain · 19/12/2022 09:54

This poll can’t be true. MN hates her. Largely for something about how she looks I suspect

Well quite. Is this FINALLY the thing that wakes MN up? The hatred of a man vs the hatred of a black woman? Quite the choice.

Nogbreaks · 19/12/2022 09:59

‘M has made herself a hate figure’

Was her skirt too short? Was she seen flirting with someone? Was she drunk?
should she have gone home when her friends did? Should she have got a cab not walked? Has she had loads of boyfriends?
Does everyone know she makes stuff up for attention?

Victim blaming isn’t new. It’s often used as an excuse for the violent, sexist, abusive behaviour of violent, sexist, abusive bullying men.

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DancingSober · 19/12/2022 10:00

The GoT scene was horrendous anyway and I have no love for the people who made that scene either.

The article is beyond wrong and it should NEVER have been written let alone published.

Even people who dislike h&m are condemning this article, (as the polls show, since Mumsnet doesn't seem to be the greatest fan of MM), so I'm not sure what the purpose of it was unless it was to salivate over shaming and assaulting a young woman of colour.

Abhannmor · 19/12/2022 10:01

gawditswindy · 19/12/2022 09:42

So why does he want to throw shit at Meghan's naked body and not Harry's? He's the royal. He's the one that people seem to believe 'owes' them something. Why is it always the woman?

But he doesn't secretly fancy Harry. And anyway H is a white bloke and royal innit? And British
I have my own fantasy of Clarkson , Morgan and Farage braying drunkenly in some golf club bar , reeking of stale farts.

Not very imaginative I know.

AllyCatTown · 19/12/2022 10:02

Was he trying to be funny by going over the top like that? I mean do people really hate her that badly? I know she’s annoying and I dislike all royals.

It’s ridiculous and bad either way.

Sagethyme · 19/12/2022 10:02

Clarkson is first and foremost a journalist, Harry and Megan rightly or wrongly have pissed off a lot of journalists. Journalists hold a lot of power, they can influence so strongly to the point of making or breaking governments (it's why dictatorships don't allow freedom of the press).
Journalists can do a lot of good, but only if they have a moral compass.
Clarkson is typical of an abusive male; he's charming, witty and charismatic, he knows how to manipulate and how to use words to great effect. Except his vitriol towards Megan has clearly stunted his ability as what he has written is neither witty or intellectual....obviously this will be Megan's fault too.

electricmoccasins · 19/12/2022 10:02

I don’t understand the ‘…but it’s a scene from GoT’ defence.

At Easter, will it be okay for a journalist to write that MM should be stripped, whipped and crucified? And then say, it’s okay, it’s just a reference to Jesus Christ’s sufferings. Just because there is a cultural touchstone for something, doesn’t mean it’s okay to apply it.

And as PPs have says, this didn’t start with GoT. This goes back to the Middle Ages and before. Woman paraded, humiliated, drowned, burned as witches for not fitting in with expected female stereotypes. The trope of the ‘unquiet’ woman who needs to be punished is as old as the hills.

CaptainMyCaptain · 19/12/2022 10:02

JanetheObscure · 19/12/2022 09:52

Apart from the sheer awfulness of the piece, it’s interesting that Clarkson went to a lunch hosted and (presumably) paid for by Camilla one day and then wrote in the most abhorrent terms about her step DIL very soon afterwards.

I don’t suppose that most of us would even very mildly slag off a family member of our lunch host in a national newspaper a day or so later. Let alone use language like that (he will no doubt argue that he was being satirical, but I will argue that he is an arsehole).

I thought that I liked Camilla. But the inference must be that Clarkson didn’t think she would mind 🤷🏻‍♀️.

Camilla wasn't the host. The Daily Mail article title was a bit misleading. Lower down it says

Camilla, 75, donned a green midi dress as she stepped out for the star-studded bash at the Murano restaurant in Mayfair on Wednesday, hosted by Ewan Venters - the former head of royal grocer Fortnum & Mason.
The RF should have issued a statement about it though.

SinnerBoy · 19/12/2022 10:03

MarieIVanArkleStinks

Also in attendance was Piers Morgan, who's waged a grinding, relentless vendetta against Markle that bears all the hallmarks of a fixation.

Apparently, she had the temerity to decline an interview with Pierced Organ, a few years ago and he turned on her. The great, nasty cry-baby.

PutinSmellsPassItOn · 19/12/2022 10:03

The radio silence from the media backs everything they said, they've whipped up so much hatred against them their haters feel free to publicly spout this drivel.

Today there must be at least a dozen, shitty little articles with no foundation about Harry and Meghan.....there isn't one calling out Clarkson and a couple of tiny ones about people who called him out........we really.need to start questioning the effect the media is having on people in the UK. And why they're able to.get away with it.

Imjustbrowsing · 19/12/2022 10:04

Clarkson has always been an arse.
If you have never watched GOT then it reads absolutely bizarre. I think it was funnier in his head as Cersei is pure evil (The things she does to a nun in the show, you would struggle to write down) and the shame walk is her comeuppance.

How it got past an editor I will never understand.

The abuse of Camilla makes no sense, so what if she was at a party with them, Dames Judy Dench, Maggie Smith and Maureen Lipman were there too.

Shitzngiggles · 19/12/2022 10:05

Depressingly I fear there will be no consequences for Clarkson over this. Mind boggling that there are people on here defending what he said. Even if it was a reference to a TV programme (which is no bloody defence anyway) not everyone has seen that programme, so the reference is completely lost on a lot of people, me included.

BP really should be putting out some sort of statement condemning Clarkson, this is an attack on a member of their family.

JanetheObscure · 19/12/2022 10:06

Ah, thanks @CaptainMyCaptain . The principle is the same, though, as she was a fellow lunch guest.

Virginiaplain · 19/12/2022 10:06

The RF should have issued a statement about it though.

fortunately they have the sense to ignore - can’t believable anyone wants more tit for tat bleating

Iwantmyoldnameback · 19/12/2022 10:07

A couple of points.

GOT may have been misogynistic but there were some pretty gruesome deaths for the men too. There are also eunuchs and one poor sod had his penis cut off.

Camilla needs to be more careful, I think she is accepted rather than loved. One of her main virtues is her work with DV victims, now it looks like that may be opportunistic.

And of course Catherine has had Botox and some kind of surgery on her jaw line, totally up to her but don't insult people's intelligence by denying it.

TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2022 10:09

fortunately they have the sense to ignore

It isn't 'sense' to ignore. It's colluding in a hate campaign and proving the points made in the documentary.

This silence will come back to bite them big time. It is a turning point.

But they're afraid of press retaliation. What could come out.

LlynTegid · 19/12/2022 10:09

Part of the issue is that Jeremy Clarkson is given the time of day at all. The friend of the typical male BMW or Audi driver.

CuriousMama · 19/12/2022 10:10

I think JC needs a trip to the GP. That's a totally unhinged thing to think never mind have printed.

Well done Em. Really feel for her.

TheKeatingFive · 19/12/2022 10:11

Dames Judy Dench, Maggie Smith and Maureen Lipman were there too.

Not really relevant as Meghan isn't their DIL

MontanaRivers · 19/12/2022 10:11

I have a couple of JC’s books and watch the Grand Tour, he makes me laugh. Gone way too far here. I get he is a columnist and therefore must have strong opinions in his piece but this was dreadful. Like others have said why the hell didn’t an editor somewhere along the way say no, we are not printing this. How many people (men?) saw this before it was printed. I worked in publishing for decades and anything remotely contentious was sent to our lawyers, then a couple of sub editors checked it, an editor would see the piece and it would pass through the art dept and production staff. Lots of opportunities for someone to say hang on we can’t print this. It’s just nasty.