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I might well be unreasonable but here goes.....

262 replies

cocktailclub · 18/12/2022 21:20

It seems that a lot of the working age population now are snowflakes or incompetent or just don't care enough to do a good job. It's rare to manage people who actually work reliably the hours they are paid to.
I just wonder what would happen to the economy in general if
A) employees turned up and worked hard for the hours they were paid
B) employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell
C) employees did not regard the usual ups and downs of life as 'mental health' but reserved that for people with actual mental illness like clinical depression, schizophrenia etc
D) employees just genuinely cared about doing a good job and tried hard

Also would the NHS thrive if we weren't all so dependent on referrals for minor issues and just took a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well.

If people stopped blaming social workers for child abuse and looked at the parents.

Sorry a bit of a rant but I'm disillusioned

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Luredbyapomegranate · 18/12/2022 21:26

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millymollymoomoo · 18/12/2022 21:27

Yadnbu

but everyone will no doubt say otherwise

Pixiedust1234 · 18/12/2022 21:28

I wonder what would happen if employers paid decent wages with fixed hours contracts. You might actually find motivated employees! Mind blowing, eh?

Iam4eels · 18/12/2022 21:28

Anyone who uses the word "snowflakes" automatically has nothing to say that is worth listening to.

Flapjackquack · 18/12/2022 21:29

How many posts until someone blames millennials… 🙄

nearlyjarv · 18/12/2022 21:29

minimum wage = minimum effort. you get what you give

ThanksAntsThants · 18/12/2022 21:29
Xmas Biscuit
JassyRadlett · 18/12/2022 21:30

Are you really, really bad at recruitment or just paying incredibly poorly that you're ending up with all these duds?

susiesuelou · 18/12/2022 21:30

Iam4eels · 18/12/2022 21:28

Anyone who uses the word "snowflakes" automatically has nothing to say that is worth listening to.

This

theswoot · 18/12/2022 21:32

WELL, everyone did all the things you listed for years and years and it produced the society we have now, so doesn’t seem that great if you ask me.

AdventFridgeOfShame · 18/12/2022 21:32

I'm not sure where you work BUT have you considered getting a new job.
Most people do work hard, you having or being a bad manager is your problem.

OopsItsAPony · 18/12/2022 21:32

I’m guessing you’re trying to run a business and paying minimum wage?

DogInATent · 18/12/2022 21:32

You are John Redwood and I claim my £5.

upfucked · 18/12/2022 21:33

I suspect if people were only working the hours they were paid for then the NHS would seriously struggle.

Hadalifeonce · 18/12/2022 21:35

It has been ever thus.
There have always people who feel the world owes them a living, no matter how poorly they do their job. And there have always people who will go the extra mile no matter how poorly they are paid.

MiniTheMinx · 18/12/2022 21:35

I wonder what life would be like if we had true equality. If people had a fair share of the profit from their labour, if people had free education at degree and post grad level, if children had happy unstressed parents and we had fully funded fully functioning social welfare, infrastructure and an NHS that kept us all healthy and productive.

More than anything I wonder what life would be like if we had leaders who represented both the will and welfare of the people, instead of representatives of the elite and the capitalist pig dog exploiting fuckers that are destroying our planet, our lives, and our future.

RunnerBum · 18/12/2022 21:35

Ok 🙄

Let's be honest - it's a two-way street.

A) employees turned up and worked hard for the hours they were paid

I am just about the strongest believer in the world of the idea that if you do a job then you should do it well. However, there should be recognition for working hard. In my experience, in a huge number of workplaces, people are actually punished for working hard - if employee A works hard but employee B doesn't work hard, employee A will be given more workload to do. So, you're punished for doing well. People who perform well in a role are denied promotions in order to ensure they stay doing well in a department - that's unfair.

B) employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell

Many employers refuse to accommodate people's lives. People are then left needing to lie about illness to cover other aspects of their lives - like children's nativity plays or taking a dog to the vet. If employers were more open to employees having a life outside of work then it would mean employers get more notice of time off being needed and employees can get the flexibility that's required.

C) employees did not regard the usual ups and downs of life as 'mental health' but reserved that for people with actual mental illness like clinical depression, schizophrenia etc

Everyone has mental health just like everyone has physical health. Your comment is ignorant and ridiculous. If you don't maintain your mental health then you can become mentally ill. Attacking people for looking after their mental health is exceptionally ironic considering your rant goes on to complain that people need to take "a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well".

D) employees just genuinely cared about doing a good job and tried hard

Most do. See point A.

Also would the NHS thrive if we weren't all so dependent on referrals for minor issues and just took a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well.

Minor issues become major issues. Almost no one on the NHS is getting any help at the moment - people are dying of heart attacks and being denied emergency care. What planet are you on?

If people stopped blaming social workers for child abuse and looked at the parents.

Both can be to blame. Both are to blame. Do you think we should just eradicate social workers? Again, this point is exceptionally ironic in the light of your rant about people needing to do their jobs well - why do social workers doing their job poorly get a pass?

Surely you can see both sides of the coin on all your points? (Like any rational person).

Pumperthepumper · 18/12/2022 21:36

But look at that logically: even if it is the parents’ fault, does that mean the child should suffer?

Oxterguff · 18/12/2022 21:36

How about treating your staff with a bit of respect. If they feel valued then they will do more, it’s not rocket science! 🙄

Honper · 18/12/2022 21:36

Dialectical Method 4 tw OP! Nailed it chum.

BarryK3nt · 18/12/2022 21:38

i agree OP

Honper · 18/12/2022 21:38

DogInATent · 18/12/2022 21:32

You are John Redwood and I claim my £5.

My money's on Brexit Rees-Mogg

AdventFridgeOfShame · 18/12/2022 21:41

B) employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell

most companies only pay SSP
Nobody takes a sickie lightly
I know several people who ploughed on after a positive Covid test because that was what they could afford
Many workers are subject to a disciplinary and written warning after a short period of sickness

Flapjackquack · 18/12/2022 21:42

Honper · 18/12/2022 21:38

My money's on Brexit Rees-Mogg

Nah, Rees-Mogg would say something like 4 score and 5 years ago, thy serfs etc.

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