I might well be unreasonable but here goes.....

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It seems that a lot of the working age population now are snowflakes or incompetent or just don't care enough to do a good job. It's rare to manage people who actually work reliably the hours they are paid to.
I just wonder what would happen to the economy in general if
A) employees turned up and worked hard for the hours they were paid
B) employees only took sick leave when they were really unwell
C) employees did not regard the usual ups and downs of life as 'mental health' but reserved that for people with actual mental illness like clinical depression, schizophrenia etc
D) employees just genuinely cared about doing a good job and tried hard

Also would the NHS thrive if we weren't all so dependent on referrals for minor issues and just took a bit of ownership and responsibility for staying well.

If people stopped blaming social workers for child abuse and looked at the parents.

Sorry a bit of a rant but I'm disillusioned

You're talking about costs to business of those employment laws, including minimum wage levels.

I'm showing an example of where higher wages and better conditions are correlated with better outcomes for business, GDP per capita, productivity.

Higher minimum wage and better working conditions do not lead to business and economic ruin, contrary to the naysayers.

Australia has a small population and huge natural resources, you cannot compare the UK to Australia.

I know you’re not actually daft enough to justify explorative labour. Are you suggesting that’s what this country needs? 😂 Pppffft 🤫

Fucking hell, what an employer you must be. How patronising.

You've missed the point.
Australia has it written in employment laws
It doesn't expect business owners/managers to come up with this themselves.
You can't blame British business owners for operating in the environment in which they are in.
It's as daft as asking someone to only use British Businesses when Britain has policies which makes it a favourable environment for large multinational businesses.

That's an awesome strawman.

As usual the daft so and so's on this forum go for the businesses and the managers rather than a Government that won't create appropriate policies.

As I said you must be the rare bird that circumvents all their product choices by only buying anything that's produced end to end by British businesses.

Are you aware that you’re just repeating the same comment over again or…?

That wasn't the argument you were making, though. You were suggesting that if business had to pick up the bill for higher wages - whether government mandated or market-driven - it would be somehow ruinous to business and to consumers. Plenty of evidence that it doesn't.

Evidence shows that's not the case. In fact not having it mandated probably gives a certain competitive advantage to those who are able to secure the more productive staff with better wages and/or conditions.

One can't bitch about unmotivated, disrespectful, underproductive 'snowflake' staff who aren't adequately scared of their bosses, and not seek to do anything about it in the same breath.

I mean, you can, but you look like a bit of a twat.

Yep, I'd love an end to taxpayer-funded wage subsidies and a higher minimum wage and better employee protections. But in the meantime, if you can't get the people to make your business thrive, you need to look at what you can do to change that. Is it pay? Is it that conditions suck? Is management poor? Or is your business model just not sustainable without government subsidy?

Can you explain why the correlation between wages, purchasing power and productivity levels is fundamentally different because of mineral resources? Why, for example, the hospitality sector in Australia can bear those kinds of wages (and so can many European countries') but the UK, with GDP per capita not that much worse, couldn't possibly?

Not sure a population of 26 million v one of 67 million makes such a huge difference, either - particularly when you consider that levels of urbanisation are practically identical?

Employers need to provide favourable wages and conditions for their workers, otherwise the workers will say, justifiably, "Sod this for a game of soldiers," and resign in order to take up a better position, a better wage, more respect.

Employers need to spread the profit around a bit more, pay heed to workers' rights, respect their employees, if they want to keep those employees.

That's not difficult to understand, surely?

But the Tories do seem to be currently intent on running down the NHS, despite ordinary people these days having absolutely no spare cash to pay for any private health service.

Are we all to do, yet again, what Aneurin Bevan's people did? Disregarded by their government, rare free public healthcare, they set up their own "insurance scheme", in order to provide for all in the community.

"Before the NHS was set up healthcare was provided on a piecemeal and patchwork basis with many people having to pay directly for primary and hospital care services and others not receiving the services they needed."

www.wales.nhs.uk/nhswalesaboutus/historycontext

Bevan drew on this when he established the UK National Health Service. Equal healthcare for all, according to need, free at point of delivery, paid for by the whole community that had the capacity to pay a relatively small amount from each working person.

This everytime